It is annoying the residents of Broadview though, since ICE/DHS is erecting barricades and disrupting traffic flows.
Protests are not war zones, nor are they "burning the city to the ground" nor are they even starting fires (and you did use the word fires).
My point is that the administration is lying about what's happening in Portland, and you don't seem to care. The things you're describing are not the same things the administration is describing.
And again, I don't know much about the protests in Portland, but Trump keeps saying the ones in Chicago are violent when they are not, so unless you can show me that Portland is different, it'll continue to assume you, like the president, are making things up
You also attribute to me an attitude that I did not express on here. My point all along was that the propaganda goes both ways. The government exaggerates their claims and the protesters try to minimize their violence and destructive impact. I stand by that, especially now that you have mischaracterized me several times over the course of this thread. You also describe the Chicago protests as non-violent (and you claim you know about those), but that is simply not true. Just yesterday the Broadview Illinois mayor Katrina Thompson decried the violence of the protesters in her city from Saturday night, So you are contributing to that other side of the propaganda coin by minimizing in the same way the government exaggerates.
“There are too many protesters are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home,” Thompson said in a statement. “Broadview residents lack the protestors’ privilege to return to calm, quiet neighborhoods for undisturbed rest.”
https://news.wttw.com/2025/10/13/broadview-mayor-shrinks-des...
Whether you meant to or not, you basically made up the notion that there was violence from the protesters, which is not OK. Please be more careful.
From the Broadview Statement:
“There are too many protesters abusing their right to protest. Too many are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home.”
https://broadview-il.gov/reference/press-releases/press-rele...
Feel free to dispute this all you want, feel free to diminish what it says, but know that you are doing exactly what I said…propagandizing from the other side of the coin.
I don't expect you to concede this point --- this is a message board, after all. But I have firsthand knowledge of what you're talking about as well as familiarity with your sources and am continuing to comment to make a record of the inaccuracy of your claim.
> The "abuse of the right to protest" has nothing to do with violence from protesters, which is a detail that you've conjured up yourself.
It’s kind of telling how you chose this phrase to suggest that I have “conjured” up apparent violence. Context counts. Prior to that “abuse” sentence, she said this:
“There were 15 arrests, and 10 of those were around the age of my own daughter. As a mother and a mayor, I am mad.”
Then it’s the next one after the abuse statement makes the difference and alludes to violence:
“Too many are raising their fists rather than their voices, creating chaos at the expense of the people who call Broadview home”. (The emphasis is mine)
That provides further context. From my perspective on the outside looking in, she appears to be suggesting that things are escalating and she appears to be placing some of that blame on the protesters.
Maybe her statement was inarticulate. Maybe it was total BS. Maybe she is playing to both sides. Maybe it reflects reality. Whatever the case may be its what is out in the news now and on its face, it doesn’t feel like things are as peaceful as the mayor would prefer them to be. Good for her trying to de-escalate.
Frankly, I am just happy it’s not happening in my community.
Meanwhile ICE teargassed my block yesterday while my neighbors were doing nothing but standing on the corner filming.
I know who's being violent and it isn't protestors. Beyond that, even the ICE behavior at Broadview isn't especially extreme. The protestors are almost all senior citizens. Nobody is rioting, starting fires, assaulting officers. Do you have evidence of such in Portland? Because if you do you should show me.
Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no.
So between "the sitting president outright lying about the state of reality as an excuse to federalize the national guard and violate civil liberties" and "people who are peacefully going about their lives insisting they're simply going about their lives," I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated.
This is “spin” to minimize impact, just like I said. You are providing propaganda here.
> Look, i asked you a simple question. "Is there evidence that parts of Portland are being burned to the ground, as the administration claims." The answer is very obviously no.
I never made that claim, not sure why you want to keep going back to that. As I stated clearly above, I regarded those claims as an exaggeration, and even sarcastically referred to it in my comment. You choosing to apply this to me is just another example of trying to obfuscate the point of my original comment.
> I'm glad you've decided both are equally dishonest and similarly motivated.
I definitely stand by that. Yes, I think the government is being dishonest and think that has been quite obvious in here with two commenters I have interacted with—You just provided spin like I said you would (but at least you acknowledged what the Mayor actually said, points for that). You have tried to obfuscated my point, attributed opinions to me, and suggested I have said things I haven’t said. That’s dishonest. Another commenter outright lied and claimed the mayor never said what she said, despite the quote. I literally had to post the Mayor’s freaking statement on the city’s website to counter that BS they were spewing.
You're doing what the president is doing: making statements entirely detached from reality without evidence.
I look forward to seeing those streams. Good luck!
Throwing rocks isn’t violent? Since when?
The propaganda around this topic is definitely a two sided coin. Thanks for demonstrating it for all to see.
Neither of you are going to convince each other of anything, so I'm not sure what's gained by handwavy argument and generalizations at this point. Facts have some utility, but the analysis is just tedious.
BTW a few comments above this one the other commenter mentioned that the mayor was “wrong”. So even they aren’t buying your spin of her comments, and they are apparently aligned with you in every other way.
To summarize: I never dunked on that mayor. I literally quoted the mayor’s exact statement. I linked directly to that statement on her government website. Obviously if you and the other commenter have exact opposite interpretations of what she said, the most accurate thing I could say is that the statement was inarticulate because it illicit opposite meanings based on the reader.
Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are lying. Just because someone is critical of a mayor that you believe is beyond criticism doesn’t mean that the mayor can’t be criticized.
That's backwards: The burden of proof is on the government to show that the prerequisites have been met for invoking the Insurrection Act of 1807 [0] or the Alien Enemy Act of 1798 [1] or the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 [2]. To be sure, the president gets some deference, but s/he doesn't have absolute discretion.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807
I genuinely know nothing about Portland, but i know that the way Chicago is described is entirely unmoored from reality, and that none of the protestors in Chicago have been violent, so you can back up your claim or continue to look like you're making things up