US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "full self-driving"

Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by raxxorraxor on Thursday October 09, 2025 @10:48AM (#45528481)

Nuclear is probably a difficult comparison, but in both cases it would indeed be about liability. Would the owner have liability? That would increase insurance by a lot, probably significantly make autopilot much more expensive to have.

Is the manufacturer liable? Autopilot would be too much risk and the manufacturer would demand users can only activate it behind the wheel, needs both hands on the wheel while getting a coffee infusion. The tool would lose its advantages.

Power plants aren't insurable because it would financially destroy any company in case of a leak or operating costs would become so high, that nuclear cannot compete anymore.

We maybe will get it one day. Waymo probably did it correctly. Limited road network, careful approach, learn what the problems are and expand on that.

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by nradov on Thursday October 09, 2025 @10:55AM (#45528585)

The manufacturers will take liability. Mercedes-Benz is already doing this with their Drive Pilot level 3 autonomous vehicles. Coverage is limited but will expand.

https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by hnburnsy on Thursday October 09, 2025 @11:48AM (#45529363)

Yeah, MB is really going out on a limb here...

>DRIVE PILOT can be activated in heavy traffic jams at a speed of 40 MPH or less on a pre-defined freeway network approved by Mercedes-Benz. DRIVE PILOT operates in daytime lighting conditions when inclement weather is not present and in areas where there is not a construction zone. Please refer to the Operator’s Manual for a full list of conditions required for DRIVE PILOT.

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by thrill on Thursday October 09, 2025 @11:24AM (#45528996)

Would you trust Tesla’s management if they said they assumed liability?

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by nradov on Thursday October 09, 2025 @11:55AM (#45529459)

Either there is a legal agreement in place or there isn't: trust doesn't enter into it.

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by watwut on Thursday October 09, 2025 @12:18PM (#45529791)

Trust does matter. If Tesla is determined to use every possible trick to avoid liability, it will cost you a lot to get advantages of that agreement.

Meanwhile, if you have contract with more serious company, you wont have to spend years and thousands fighting them over liability.

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Re:US opens Tesla probe after more crashes involving its "fu... by nemomarx on Thursday October 09, 2025 @10:55AM (#45528586)

Since humans can't really sit in the seat and take over in an emergency reliably I think you have to go straight to level 5 no steering wheel models.

No one is going to regulate it this presidential term though so Tesla has some more time to work I guess.

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