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Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by jMyles on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:16PM (#45506718)
A simple way to end the discussion:

No matter what the state says, or what legislatures pass what laws, we're going to continue to live out our right to general purpose computing, including sending only what we choose to send over the wire, and encrypting content as we see fit.

Now let's talk about something else.

Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by tokyolights2 on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:17PM (#45506729)
I like the sentiment but it sounds very similar to Soverign Citizen nonsense. You can't just plug your ears and say that a law doesn't apply to you because you didn't consent to it.
Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by zarzavat on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:46PM (#45507100)
Yes you can, it's called civil disobedience. Sovcits are stupid because they break the law but don't know it.

Civil disobedience involves breaking the law with full knowledge that it's illegal, to protest injustice.

Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by jMyles on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:28PM (#45506862)
The reasoning isn't about consent or social contracts, but about the evolutionary trajectory of humankind.

By way of example: in the United States, the 1st amendment to the constitution guarantees freedom of "the press" - it is referenced not by the right to print what one wants, but specifically in reference to the technology of the time, the printing press.

It's obvious that our evolutionary trajectory is one in which widely distributed general purpose computing is normal.

Making laws that contradict this is just childish, and at some point the adults in the room need to be willing to ignore them.

Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by sfdlkj3jk342a on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:21PM (#45506777)
That works until the government and media successfully push the narrative to the public that anyone using encryption is supporting child molesters and terrorists.
Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by MYEUHD on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @02:57PM (#45507267)
The government itself uses encryption.

In fact the proposed chat control law has an exception for government agencies

Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by tavavex on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @03:27PM (#45507652)
That doesn't counter the argument. The people arguing against encryption would just liken it to the government being able to use military equipment that you, as an individual, can't have. "Free communication is a dangerous tool, only the government can be entrusted with the power it provides" and so on.
Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by zarzavat on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @03:11PM (#45507448)
This may work on boomers but for younger people 90% of the use of a phone is for messaging and obviously you don't want anyone listening in to your private conversations especially for sexting.

People are not going to stop sending each other their boobs or penii, and while that remains the case, encrypted messaging will thrive.

Re:German government comes out against Chat Control by immibis on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @02:37AM (#45512828)
Media propaganda is insane. I saw on the news today: "Jew haters allowed to protest in Berlin." And people believe this nonsense.