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Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by cooldeal on Thursday September 20, 2012 @03:43PM (#4550309)
>Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

Well, around tech circles, Apple and Google frequently get more free passes compared to Microsoft.

And that's kind of funny because Nokia just put out a comparison with Apple and Google maps to cash in on this hoopla.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/20/benchmarking-mobil...

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by toyg on Thursday September 20, 2012 @04:38PM (#4550550)
Nokia acquired Navteq, which was already a top player in the mapping space. For about a year, their horrible S60-based models were selling well because they all had free high-quality mapping apps with turn-by-turn navigation and TomTom directors were shitting their pants.

Then Apple and Google "divorced" while the iPhone was exploding, Google basically stopped improving Maps on iOS (all features went to Android), and here we are today, with the best-selling smartphone falling 5 years behind. Not Apple's finest moment.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by angryasian on Thursday September 20, 2012 @04:44PM (#4550580)
>Google basically stopped improving Maps on iOS

incorrect: maps was an apple app that use google maps service. So it was apple that stopped improving maps on Ios

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by toyg on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:20PM (#4550759)
It's fair to say Apple couldn't improve it without help from Google. It's not like they could just switch to the officially-published API and hope Google would let through all the traffic.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by angryasian on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:36PM (#4550864)
Apple and Google had an agreement in place. It was apple that chose not to continue this agreement. Speculation: I find it hard to believe from a business perspective that Google would want to do anything to harm this relationship as the map and map search provider on the ios platform. Being the default service for maps on ios is a win for google. Even if they release an app at this point, they aren't the default which is a step backwards.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by jsnell on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:55PM (#4550956)
There is no way that it was a unilateral decision by either company. Clearly there was some offer (e.g. more money, dropping patent lawsuits against Android) that Google would have been happy with. Or some terms that Apple would have been happy with (e.g. lower cost, access to more API features). It's not either party's fault alone that they couldn't agree about the terms.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by diggan on Thursday September 20, 2012 @06:21PM (#4551059)
Don't forget that Apple and Google is currently playing in the same game, smartphones and tablets. Probably a strategic move by Apple.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by beedogs on Thursday September 20, 2012 @11:50PM (#4552114)
Strategic, perhaps, but terrible nonetheless.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by dasil003 on Friday September 21, 2012 @05:04AM (#4552916)
Or it could have been a strategic move by Google knowing the work that needs to be done, and that getting up to speed on maps would take Apple years.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by angryasian on Friday September 21, 2012 @01:08PM (#4554592)
this would be the worst strategy ever. So instead of becoming the major search for web and places/location on what would be close to 90% of the worlds smart phones, they instead would give up all the data and being the default search on the ios platform. Theres no way people are going to abandon ios over a sub par maps app.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by SoftwareMaven on Thursday September 20, 2012 @07:12PM (#4551252)
It was apple that chose not to continue this agreement.

Do you have evidence of this? I find the history of this fascinating and have my own theories (that I've posted elsewhere), but this is a pretty definitive statement that isn't the way I imagined things going down.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by angryasian on Friday September 21, 2012 @02:40AM (#4552613)
from a business standpoint. Google would be the #1 search for browser and places/location on the top two mobile platforms globally equaling to over 90% of the smartphone searches. What possible reason would there be for google to not want to be the default places/location search on the ios platform ?
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by _djo_ on Thursday September 20, 2012 @04:55PM (#4550626)
Depends on what the terms of the Apple-Google agreement were. It's possible it did not include the additional features.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by angryasian on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:30PM (#4550828)
correct it is speculation, but from a business perspective I wouldn't see it as beneficial for Google for them to not allow apple (at one time the most popular smart phone worldwide) additional features upon request. Googles bread and butter is search and data collection. But yes there could possibly be a reason.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by _djo_ on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:59PM (#4550977)
Agreed, but we know how poisonous the relationship became after they started warring. It's possible that reasonable contract extensions and expansions became mired in politics.

For instance, when Google launched turn-by-turn navigation for Android they said that it'd be available on the iPhone as well before long. That never happened.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by headShrinker on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:23PM (#4550785)
It's not really fair to qualify Apple's entire product as "falling 5 years behind" based on one app. The phone is far more polished in virtually every other way. Maps is important, other things are important too.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by toyg on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:35PM (#4550859)
I meant to say "in the mapping space". The post originally had a rant about the inevitable full phone/GPS integration being delayed because of these silly corporate squabbles, but I removed it at the last minute.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by vm on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:30PM (#4550829)
I'm surprised by how poor this Nokia comparison is. Maybe it highlights the difference of that company vs Apple or Google.

The post focuses on the reach of their maps by showing lots of numbers in a comparison. They would better demonstrate their point with side by side pictures, like the ones from OP of this thread.

Personally, I wonder about the reach of this marketing angle. I take 2 international trips per year. I'm in the same city 330+ days/year. I don't care if the maps work in Columbia or South Africa. I just want it to work well where I live!

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by pluies_public on Thursday September 20, 2012 @05:47PM (#4550926)
> I don't care if the maps work in Columbia or South Africa. I just want it to work well where I live!

So do people in Columbia and South Africa. :)

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by noibl on Thursday September 20, 2012 @08:51PM (#4551612)
Indeed it is a fairly Universal attitude that one's own geographical Focus is Paramount.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by bcaulf on Tuesday September 25, 2012 @09:09PM (#4573701)
I see what you did there.
Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by prof_hobart on Friday September 21, 2012 @07:09AM (#4553229)
Personally, I'd quite like it to work in places that I'm going to travel to as well.

I'm also in the same city for the vast majority of the year, but I already know how to get from home to work and back.

Re:The Amazing iOS 6 Maps by philwelch on Thursday September 20, 2012 @11:00PM (#4551997)
> Apple and Google frequently get more free passes compared to Microsoft

Microsoft used up their free passes almost 20 years ago now.