AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip

Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by p_l on Saturday October 04, 2025 @11:49AM (#45474184)

Historical, but also there was a bunch of physical ram drives - RAMsan, for example, sold DRAM-based (with battery backup) appliances connected by fiber channel - they were used for all kinds of tasks but often as very fast scratch space for databases. Some VAXen had a "RAM disk" card that was IIRC used as NFS cache on some unix variants. etc. etc.

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by rbanffy on Saturday October 04, 2025 @02:18PM (#45475414)

Still odd. The OS should be able to manage the memory and balance performance more efficiently than that. There’s no reason to preallocate memory by hardware.

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by p_l on Saturday October 04, 2025 @03:08PM (#45475807)

It was often used to supplement memory available in cheaper ways or otherwise more flexible. For example many hardware solutions allowed connecting more RAM than otherwise possible to be accessed by main bus, or at lower cost than the main memory (for example due to differences in interfaces required, adding battery backup, etc.)

RAMsan line for example started in 2000 with 64GB DRAM-based SSD with up to 15 1Gbit FC interfaces, providing a shared SAN SSD for multiple hosts (very well utilized by some of the beefier cluster SQL databases like Oracle RAC) but the company itself has been providing high speed specialized DRAM-based SSDs since 1978

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by rbanffy on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:49AM (#45503779)

The way it makes sense is when you can't add that much memory to the system directly, or when directly attached memory would be significantly more expensive. For this you can get away with much slower memory than you would attach to the memory bus directly - all you need is to be faster than the storage bus you are using.

Last time I saw one was with a mainframe, which kind of makes sense if adding cheaper third party memory to the machine would void warranties or breach support contracts. People really depend on company support for those machines.

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by p_l on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @10:55AM (#45503878)

Main cases I've seen with mainframes involved network-attached ram disks (actually, even earliest S/360 could share a disk device between two mainframes, so...)

A fast scratch pad that can be shared between multiple machines can be ideal at times.

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by rbanffy on Wednesday October 08, 2025 @11:21AM (#45517176)

Makes sense in batch environment - you can lock the volume, do your thing, and then freeing it to another task running on a different partition or host.

Still seems like a kludge - The One Right Way to do it would be to add that memory directly to a CPU addressable space rather than across a SCSI (or channel, or whatever) link. Might as well be added to the RAM in the storage server and let it manage the memory optimally (with hints from the host).

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by p_l on Thursday October 09, 2025 @03:57AM (#45524823)

There was no locking (at least not necessarily), it was a shared resource that allowed programs on multiple computers to utilize together (also major use case for RAMsan where I worked with them - it was not about not being able to add memory, it was about common fast quorum and cache between multiple maxed out database servers)

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by motorest on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @01:41AM (#45499719)

> Still odd. The OS should be able to manage the memory and balance performance more efficiently than that. There’s no reason to preallocate memory by hardware.

You are arguing hypotheticals, whereas for decades the world had to deal with practicals. I recommend you spend a few minutes looking into how to create RAM drives on, say, Windows, and think through how to achieve that when your build workstation has 8GB of RAM and you need a scratchpad memory of, say, 16GB of RAM.

Recommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive

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Re:AMD's EPYC 9355P: Inside a 32 Core Zen 5 Server Chip by rbanffy on Tuesday October 07, 2025 @06:31AM (#45501408)

I know all that - I was there and I saw products like these in person (although they were in the megabyte range back then). I still remember a 5.25 hard-drive shaped box with a lead acid battery and lots of memory boards with 4164's (IIRC).

These are only for when the OS and the machine itself can't deal with the extra memory and wouldn't know what to do with it, things you buy when you run out of sensible options (such as adding more memory to your machine and/or configuring a RAM disk).

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