> It's a natural, forgivable response. On par with the folks who cheered on Charlie Kirk's death.

Neither of those are natural or forgivable, and I've never listened to a damn word Kirk said in my life.

> Neither of those are natural or forgivable, and I've never listened to a damn word Kirk said in my life

I haven't either. That's probably why I don't have an emotional reaction here. A guy was brutally murdered in public, and that's all I had to respond to.

Finding someone having mean thoughts--not actions, just thoughts and words--unforgiveable is, well, it's how you get entrenched, hateful, multigenerational conflicts like the one we're discussing.

I don't think killing Sinwar means much. Israel definitely wanted him dead but, to their national security, it doesn't mean anything. Sinwar isn't unique and he'd just be replaced by the next guy who wants to do the same thing and also doesn't care if he's made a martyr in the process.

Strategically, they have to destroy the entirety of Hamas and hope the Palestinians are allowed to and do elect better leadership. Anything less is accepting the status quo that led to Oct 7.

> don't think killing Sinwar means much. Israel definitely wanted him dead but, to their national security, it doesn't mean anything

You don't think the next jackass who pitches an October 7th attack won't get second thoughts from his lieutenants when they consider that all of them will be killed, their friends and families--best case--rendered homeless, their cause set back decades, all while Israel suffers fewer deaths from the entire operation than Hamas was able to notch on its one day of glory?

If they were able to repeat Oct 7, I think they'd gladly be martyred for that.

I think Sinwar would have loved to stay alive and recommit his attrocities but martyrdom is a nice consolation prize. The next in line should be so lucky.

> If they were able to repeat Oct 7, I think they'd gladly be martyred for that

I'd love to see firm evidence for this. It seems a little too fatalistic, and convenient for arguing for the permanent subjugation of a people, to suggest that two million people can't be left to their own devices without obsessively committing to destroying themselves against their neighbors.

for context about hamas thinking in general [0] (quote from article)

"for the past two years the Hamas leadership had been talking about implementing "the last promise" (alwaed al'akhir) – a divine promise regarding the end of days, when all human beings will accept Islam. Sinwar and his circle ascribed an extreme and literal meaning to the notion of "the promise, " a belief that pervaded all their messages: in speeches, sermons, lectures in schools and universities. The cardinal theme was the implementation of the last promise, which included the forced conversion of all heretics to Islam, or their killing"

, and good chunks of population specifically [1]

[0] https://judaic.arizona.edu/sites/judaic.arizona.edu/files/20...

[1] https://xcancel.com/thehonestlypod/status/197304563042865597...

> Good of you to expose yourself to everyone

As someone who can forgive schadenfreude? Yes, absolutely. If there is one takeaway from the Gaza crisis, it's the cost of being above forgiveness.