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Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by valleyer on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:24PM (#45457713)
I am an Apple shareholder.

My Apple shareholder interest is for Apple to preserve its reputation in the long term, including when Trump is long gone.

Please stop repeating this "shareholders only care about short-term money" idea.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by stingraycharles on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:31PM (#45457767)
I’m also an Apple shareholder.

Tim Cook is a very shareholder-friendly CEO. One of the first things he did after he became CEO, which jobs always refused, was to start stock buybacks.

I have a hard time believing Apple getting in legal fights with the current administration is something that shareholders will appreciate, even if it’s better in the long term.

Regardless, if shareholders care about long term instead of short term, shareholders - as a whole - put the wrong CEO in charge.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by saurik on Friday October 03, 2025 @12:29AM (#45459001)
> Tim Cook is a very shareholder-friendly CEO.

I feel like John Sculley of all people praising Tim Cook on this point was pretty damning ;P.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/ex-apple-ceo-john-sculley-co...

> “Steve Jobs created a loyalty with users that is unparalleled in the consumer technology world. What Tim Cook has done, he’s built a loyalty with shareholders,” Sculley said on “Squawk on the Street.”

> Regardless, if shareholders care about long term instead of short term, shareholders - as a whole - put the wrong CEO in charge.

FWIW, while I keep wondering just how different the entire world would have ended up if Scott Forstall had ended up in charge of Apple instead of Tim Cook, I believe he was also one of the big reasons the App Store ended up as evil as it was (not Steve) :(. Is there anyone whom we could take seriously as having been in serious contention who actually would have done a better job?

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by ferologics on Friday October 03, 2025 @12:10PM (#45464553)
this excerpt from Forstall's wiki seems fitting:

> Cook's aim since becoming CEO has been reported to be building a culture of harmony, which meant "weeding out people with disagreeable personalities—people Jobs tolerated and even held close, like Forstall," although Apple Senior Director of Engineering Michael Lopp "believes that Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement." Steve Jobs was referred to as the "decider" who had the final say on products and features while he was CEO, reportedly keeping the "strong personalities at Apple in check by always casting the winning vote or by having the last word", so after Jobs' death many of these executive conflicts became public.

The tragedy of Apple, and perhaps Steve's biggest oversight, was his own irreplaceability. He failed to procure a suitable successor. Or perhaps there was not enough time. People are Culture. And Steve was a big part of it. The hopes of Apple living on without him are just that, hopes. He built Apple like an orchestra with himself as the conductor; when he left, the music didn’t fall apart immediately, but the score became safer, flatter, more repetitive.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by scarface_74 on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:54PM (#45457969)
And the number of shares you personally own is irrelevant. The only public companies that ever take long term bets are those that are still founder led.
Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by valleyer on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:58PM (#45458007)
> Cook, clearly trying to remain calm, shot back: “When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don’t consider the bloody ROI [return on investment]. When I think about doing the right thing, I don’t think about an ROI.”

> Cook then offered his own bottom line to Danhof, or any other critic, one which perfectly sums up his belief that social and political and moral leadership are not antithetical to running a business. “If that’s a hard line for you,” Cook continued, “then you should get out of the stock.”

https://alearningaday.blog/2016/03/12/tim-cook-on-roi/

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by JustExAWS on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:07PM (#45458085)
Making devices accessible cost pennies compared to their revenue and didn’t take any real courage. Come back to me when they stand by their convictions when it can cost them billions in tariffs
Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by geodel on Friday October 03, 2025 @11:07AM (#45463841)
The thing is no one really stand by conviction against overwhelming force. Apple take billions in loss, cut supply globally resulting in hundred of thousands laid off at vendor or Apple locations.

These grandstanding activists will move on but real people will suffer due to Apple's action.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by xvector on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:30PM (#45457761)
I'm also a shareholder and I'd say I'm pretty happy with Apple not needlessly getting involved in fights. The most important thing is not getting tariffed.

Their reputation will be fine, no one but the terminally online are going to stop buying an iPhone because of this.

Pretty sure most of their shareholders feel similarly.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by ImPostingOnHN on Friday October 03, 2025 @12:15AM (#45458911)
I'm also a shareholder. The most important thing is having principles and sticking to them.
Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by valleyer on Thursday October 02, 2025 @09:36PM (#45457816)
I agree that most people will not hear about this app being removed. (Though note that it's being reported here in "normal people" news, not tech news.)

But it's far from the only way Cook has aligned himself with Trump in just the last few months. The dumb gold-glass plaque and the UK royal visit are two much more visible examples.

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by xvector on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:15PM (#45458139)
Doing what he needs to avoid tariffs is fine in my book. It's practically his responsibility towards shareholders.
Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by magicalist on Thursday October 02, 2025 @10:21PM (#45458176)
> Doing what he needs to avoid tariffs is fine in my book

So are we talking anything?

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by latexr on Friday October 03, 2025 @08:37AM (#45462266)
> Doing what he needs to avoid tariffs is fine in my book.

And from above:

> The most important thing is not getting tariffed.

I am curious where your personal line is. Surely you have one. If the only way Cook could avoid tariffs were to go on live TV and swear his allegiance to the KKK, would you still support that? What if the only way were for him to pursue direct legal action against you and your family until you’re bankrupt? Eating live puppies? What exactly would you consider to be “too much”?

Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by FranzFerdiNaN on Thursday October 02, 2025 @11:45PM (#45458756)
Bending for fascism is fine as long as you get your dividend?
Re:Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ by calgoo on Friday October 03, 2025 @01:51AM (#45459463)
Exactly this, we are not talking the normal cycle of 4 years and then they are out, we are talking a possible "forever" fascism in the US so sticking to points of "I'm happy as long as my sticks are fine" is completey sticking your head in the sand hopping this all goes away soon.