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Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by salimmadjd on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @01:49PM (#4544617)
This could be very troubling for scrapers, as they frequently breach the terms of service. If successfully prosecuted it would encourage and empower sites with content that get scraped to push for criminal charges and win given this precedence.
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by ef4 on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @02:53PM (#4544939)
Keep in mind that his alleged actions go way behind scraping. He allegedly broke into an MIT network closet to install his own hardware, so as to avoid IP-based restrictions on the content.

I sympathize with his goals, but I have to wonder what he was thinking. If the goal was liberating the information and I was in his shoes, I would have found a much more paranoid way to go about it. MIT is a very open environment, and I'm sure he could have recruited sympathizers with legitimate access.

Which makes me wonder if he really cared about getting caught. Civil disobedience can be an effective tactic, but in this case it's simply too easy to paint him as an "evil hacker".

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by bensw on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @02:58PM (#4544968)
>He allegedly broke into an MIT network closet to install his own hardware, so as to avoid IP-based restrictions on the content.

Maybe you should read the original indictment instead of throwing around conclusions not found in evidence.

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by danielweber on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:15PM (#4545045)
Huh? All those statements are in the original indictment.

"Swartz contrived to ... break into a restricted computer wiring closet at MIT;"

"Swartz connected the Acer computer to MIT's computer network"

"JSTOR blocked the computer's access to its network by refusing communications from the computer's assigned IP address. ... Swartz obtained for his computer a new IP address on the MIT network ... and began again to download an extraordinary volume of articles from JSTOR."

(Sorry for typos, I have a PDF of the indictment that is images)

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by bensw on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:20PM (#4545076)
Was referring to "Install...to avoid IP based restrictions"
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by danielweber on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:29PM (#4545115)
According to the original indictment, he actively worked around IP-based restrictions. See section 18.

When that didn't work, MIT put in MAC-level blocking, and he worked to evade that, too. See section 21, among others.

He later brought in another computer. See section 22.

He later brought the laptops when he connected inside the wiring closet and assigned himself IP addresses. See section 26.

I don't see any error on ef4's part, much less one that warrants a "maybe you should read"-level response.

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by bensw on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:52PM (#4545240)
I didn't mean to come off as aggressive--was left over pent-up rage from the errors in the article.

I likely shouldn't discuss this topic any more

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by throwaway64 on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @02:02PM (#4544688)
the idea that violating terms of service constitutes "hacking" is very dangerous in general. Get your pay-pal account suspended? you could now potentially be facing federal felony charges.
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by tptacek on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @02:27PM (#4544816)
How? How would getting your Paypal account suspended put you at risk for federal criminal charges?
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by ksmiley on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @02:47PM (#4544912)
I didn't read the article, but I imagine the parent poster's logic is like this: if your Paypal account is suspended, you must have done something to violate the terms of service. If you violate the terms of service, you must be a hacker. If you are a hacker, you are at risk for federal criminal charges. Therefore, if your Paypal account is suspended, you are at risk for federal criminal charges.
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by biot on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:01PM (#4544988)
Are you suggesting that mere scraping alone would demonstrate sufficient intent to warrant prosecution? Can you elaborate? Various courts have had mixed interpretations on the enforceability of sites' terms of service. How would this impact the body of case law that has been building around automated scrapers such as the many "... vs Google" cases? Also, "precedence" is ranking something in priority; "precedent" is the legal term.
Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by tptacek on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:34PM (#4545144)
The indictment goes into great detail as to how Swartz would have known his actions violated JSTOR's terms, and how he repeatedly took surreptitious steps to continue his plan despite the obvious efforts of both MIT and JSTOR to stop him.

"Mere scraping alone" is unlikely to land you a federal charge; the prosecution needs to demonstrate your intent to act unlawfully. A far more typical outcome for a scraping case is a C&D from the site you scraped.

For obvious reasons, JSTOR can't C&D Swartz once their content hits BitTorrent. Similarly, if you scrape a site and post it to file sharing networks, you might have something to be concerned about.

Re:Aaron Swartz hit with 9 more felony charges in MIT hackin... by danielweber on Wednesday September 19, 2012 @03:19PM (#4545070)
There was a case where a company successfully got an injunction against a scraper that got pricing data, arguing that the scraper violated the federal unauthorized access statute. http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/EF_Cultural_Travel_v._Explorica

This is an area of law that is evolving rapidly so there may be other cases that supersede that one.