That's a Dec-23 article and doesn't take account of later independent investigations.

Regardless. I accept it's reasonable that sexualised violence took place. I accept the what happened on 7th Oct was a horrible terrorist act.

But, and apologies if this hurts, none of that, absolutely none of that, justifies what has taken place since.

There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again".

Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that.

Israel has really fucked up. It destroyed Gaza, yes. But in so doing destroyed it's reputation and standing for at least a generation.

  > There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again". Nothing you can say will change my opinion on that.

I'm not trying to change your opinion on that. I'm in complete agreement with you on that subject.

I am showing you that the accusations of genocide against Israel are beyond ridiculous. They are manufactured to favour the side that 1) provides oil, and 2) is in idealogical conflict with the United States. Most countries of the world either need oil or are similarly in an idealogical conflict with the US.

Just for example, the United Nations report that slanders the Jewish State about committing genocide starts off with this prose: "On 7 October 2023, Israel launched its military offensive in Gaza, which included airstrikes and ground operations". Does that sound like a logical summary of that day's events?

So, despite all the testimonials and video evidence to the contrary, the findings of the world's leading association of genocide scholars, despite Jewish holocaust experts, despite my own conversations with doctors on the ground ... you seek to label accusations of genocide as "beyond ridiculous" from one sentence in a UN report?

Not just dishonest. But sickening, frankly.

> the findings of the world's leading association of genocide scholars,

Like IAGS whose findings were widely reported until it turned out the biggest qualifications for its 500 expert members was that they had paid a $30 membership fee? And whose openly accessible member list included "Adolf Hitler"?

The emperor has no clothes and no amount of reports from the royal court of UN will change that:

It is plain for everyone to see and the emperors naked butt is disgusting.

It is also insulting to actual victims of actual genocides.

You people really are unhinged. I guess verifiable reports on the ground, from people I trust, isn't enough for you either. Literal eyeball witness accounts won't be enough for you. Mass graves won't be enough - obviously fabricated.

When this is over, people like you should be forced to go to those graves and the destruction and be made to reflect and be educated.

Just like people are now sent to Auschwitz.

You're the flip side coin equivalent of Holocaust deniers. My condolences on where you've ended up in life. Bye.

> There is no place in this world for genocide. Particularly from a country that preaches "never again".

And here is the point:

There is no genogide except

-if you first twist one of the definition,

- deny all counterpoints (like the fact that Gazans started the current iteration and can end it any day they want)

Because if this was a genocide we must also first talk about the much much MUCH larger genocide of the Germans.