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Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by inglor_cz on Saturday September 20, 2025 @03:49AM (#45311352)
The US population is 4 per cent of the entire world's, which means that the vast majority of talented humans is born abroad.

If you can snatch them, they will build SpaceX or Google for you. If not, well, they will do so either elsewhere, or not at all. (South Africa does not seem to be a good place to start business, and neither is Russia.)

Can you gain prosperity by employing three mediocre people instead of one talented one? Maybe, but you won't get a new vibrant sector like Silicon Valley this way.

Europe, where I live, is a lot more gung-ho on mediocrity and forced equality, and we seem to be the ones with clearly stagnating living standards, not you.

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by harimau777 on Saturday September 20, 2025 @07:30AM (#45312377)
> If you can snatch them, they will build SpaceX or Google for you.

Sure, but the vast majority of the wealth of building SpaceX and Google doesn't go to me. It goes to people like Musk and Larry Page.

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by inglor_cz on Saturday September 20, 2025 @08:07AM (#45312627)
Ceteris paribus it is better to live in a country which can generate lots of technological progress than in a country that cannot.
Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by ertian on Saturday September 20, 2025 @12:57PM (#45315044)
So you'd be better-off if SpaceX and Google were Chinese companies?

Also, a lot of the wealth from the tech industry does spill over to the larger community. You're strictly better off having it. If the US had just stuck with their 1970s economy on the theory that any new industries wouldn't distribute their benefits equally, it would be vastly smaller, less powerful and less wealthy. Surely that's obvious?

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by confidantlake on Saturday September 20, 2025 @05:06PM (#45317547)
Ah the famous trickle down rebranded as "spill over".
Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by ertian on Saturday September 20, 2025 @11:59PM (#45319946)
"Trickle-down" has become a thought-terminating cliche.

Of course your country is better off if you have successful companies and high-income jobs.

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by peterfirefly on Saturday September 20, 2025 @07:38AM (#45312443)
> which means that the vast majority of talented humans is born abroad.

Intelligence is not equally distributed. The vast majority of human populations have close to no talents. Your best bets are Euros, East Asians, and upper caste Greater Indians. That means we shouldn't compare 300+ million with 8 billion, but the majority of talent is still clearly born outside the US.

Just a clarification -- you probably agree.

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by inglor_cz on Saturday September 20, 2025 @08:19AM (#45312711)
I don't think that human talent is completely homogeneous, there are certainly places where there is more of it than elsewhere.

That said, I think you underestimate many places. For example, Iran is one of the most ancient civilizations out there, and the Persian diaspora in the US is pretty productive, even though the country proper is a retrograde tyranny with very bad economy.

Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by peterfirefly on Sunday September 28, 2025 @01:23PM (#45406112)
Iran is not very homogenous. Never was. Something very noticeable with the Iranians here in Denmark is that a lot of them think of themselves as well educated upper middle class despite having fairly average brain power. I've met plenty of nice and likeable people who fled from Iran but their talents don't match their self image.
Re:$100K fee added to H1B applications by Peritract on Saturday September 20, 2025 @11:56AM (#45314418)
> The vast majority of human populations have close to no talents. Your best bets are Euros, East Asians, and upper caste Greater Indians.

This is both wildly inaccurate and wildly racist.