Idk, it sounds like you and your talented friends worked hard to get into Western Europe/US/Canada.

Edit: Very cool and good for you but it doesn’t sound like those places competed for you. You out-competed others to go there.

They had a choice. Whether intentional or not, London, Canada, and the US were competing based on which country could offer the best lifestyle. If the US becomes hostile to immigrants, then people with a choice (who are typically the most talented candidates) may choose to live elsewhere.

Those countries were not competing for high skilled immigrants. They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition.

The leaders/parties supporting immigration in those countries are ambivalent to receiving high skill immigrants or refugees.

> Those countries were not keeping for high skilled immigrants.

The US, UK, and Canada all have special provisions in their immigration programs aimed at attracting and prioritizing highly-skilled workers.

Both the UK [1] and Canada [2] both use a points-based ranking system that prioritizes highly-skilled immigrants. The UK system is clear in its goals:

> introduce an Immigration Bill to bring in a firm and fair points-based system that will attract the high-skilled workers we need to contribute to our economy, our communities and our public services.

And while the US H1-B program is lottery-based, 20,000 slots are reserved for people who hold a master's degree from a U.S. institution. Proposals have also been made recently to change to a points-based system. [3]

> They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition

Wherever there is choice, there is competition. 55% of billion dollar startups in the US have immigrant founders, employing an average of 1,200 employees each [4]. If these people don't come to the US and start companies, the US will feel the effects - even if they were just "side effects".

[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-ba...

[2] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAISE_Act

[4] https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dol...

A country picking high-quality immigrants ≠ a country competing for immigrants. The opposite, in fact.

This choosiness is actually a sign that immigrants are competing to enter those countries. The points based system is (in theory) a way to identify the ones we want.

That said, illegals and “refugees” outnumber H1Bs, further reinforcing that Western countries don’t care about global talent.

> A country picking high-quality immigrants ≠ a country competing for immigrants. The opposite, in fact.

It goes both ways. A more streamlined application process and straightforward path to permanent residency is a draw to would-be immigrants who qualify.

I won't discuss illegal immigration or asylum here as those exist for different reasons, other than to say that it's a logical fallacy to assume that just because A is bigger than B, that a country doesn't care about B.

Exactly. The tech pay disparity between US (and particularly in California) and everywhere else is so large that it’s not even close to being comparable.

I relocated to Amsterdam from India. When I got to know about the salaries my peers were making in the same company but in the US I felt like a fool. Being a manager I had access to compensation data so yeah it was hard to not feel being done by.

> Idk, it sounds like you and your talented friends worked hard to get into Western Europe/US/Canada

Yes.

Up and left -> You’re an immigrant

Down and right -> You’re an expat

Last year I had no job offer, this year recently I got offers from Headspace, Langchain, Coderabbit etc. It really depends on time too.

Sometimes companies compete for you sometimes you compete for them