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Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Sunday September 14, 2025 @08:30PM (#45244784)
not true. Evidence of rigorous differences exist. The "explanations" are not supported by rigorous evidence. They are just "explanations" for a correlation. One explanation is environment, another is genetics.

Realistically Both are factors.

>The current observed gap is much smaller than gains than have been observed within racial communities over time as a result of environmental changes.

Yes environment is a factor but given a prime environment to foster intelligence, you can see that among races there are still differences in intelligence.

Additionally the logic is inescapable. If genetics is what causes something like down syndrome then of course it can cause the opposite of down syndrome.

>So… no. You don’t have a lot of credible evidence for what you claim is a delusion to doubt. And even the observed effect size disregarding confounding effects is less than individual variation.

Either way can you stick to the main topic. Tired of this off tangent bs. The intelligence thing was just an example.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by jncfhnb on Monday September 15, 2025 @02:05AM (#45246590)
> Yes environment is a factor but given a prime environment to foster intelligence, you can see that among races there are still differences in intelligence.

You cannot. And the smoking gun is, again, that we have seen massive rises in intelligence scores within racial subgroups over time correlating with environmental changes that are much larger than current spreads and still unevenly distributed.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Monday September 15, 2025 @03:00AM (#45246893)
Right and again, when you maximize environmental factors there ARE STILL differences in intelligence. While Environment plays a massive role, genetics does as well. It's not as if environment is a smoking gun that makes the other factor disappear even when environment accounts for a much greater rise.

Obviously a starving, stressed out person is going to have a much lower IQ score then someone who is happy and well fed. You think because that obvious fact is true it completely eliminates genetics? No.

This is what I'm talking about. The mass delusion. The positive cognitive bias. You grasp for evidence that supports the conclusion you want.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by jncfhnb on Monday September 15, 2025 @09:03AM (#45249183)
> You think because that obvious fact is true it completely eliminates genetics? No.

The claim is not that genetics has nothing to do with intelligence. The claim is that race is a material, important driver of intelligence. There is no rigorous evidence of this.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Monday September 15, 2025 @12:30PM (#45251717)
The phrase you are responding to is 100 percent saying environmental factors does not eliminate genetic factors as a driver of intelligence. The English in context does not imply anything else.

Please read what I wrote and respond to what I wrote and don’t make random assumptions.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by jncfhnb on Monday September 15, 2025 @04:03PM (#45254289)
Sorry I assumed you understood the context of the conversation you were inserting yourself into
Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Monday September 15, 2025 @08:31PM (#45256641)
You inserted yourself into my context. I brought the topic up and you responded. Don’t apologize to me if it’s fake. Additionally Please try to follow what’s actually going on instead of making stuff up.
Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by jncfhnb on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @11:44AM (#45263811)
My dude you’re pivoting to try and argue that there are differences, even if the differences are immaterial and even if there’s no statistical evidence to support your claim.

I don’t give a shit if you believe yourself to be part of the (immaterially) superior race.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Tuesday September 16, 2025 @12:57PM (#45264828)
There's no statistical evidence to support your claim either.

It's not about race, it's about facts. Like I said in another comment, Jewish people have the highest measurable average IQ, and they are "White".

I think you should walk away. You brought racism into the conversation while I'm just arguing facts. I never made a claim asians were "superior" and I'm NOT from an asian country with the highest IQ either.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by jncfhnb on Wednesday September 17, 2025 @04:11PM (#45280802)
Yeah I know you don’t have the highest IQ bud. You’re just trying to appear smart by being “above” racial discourse. But you don’t actually have a point.

There is strong statistical evidence that no race has a material intellectual advantage over each other. If it existed, it would be obvious in studies. It doesn’t exist. Therefore any differences that do exist must be trivially small.

Re:Repetitive negative thinking is associated with cognitive... by ninetyninenine on Thursday September 18, 2025 @10:27AM (#45290143)
>Yeah I know you don’t have the highest IQ bud.

Why do you need to insult people and call them stupid? Just stand by your arguments if they were strong. You resort to this because you got nothing. Racist prick. Per your other comment, If anything you're the type of person who deserves to be shot, not Charlie. As much of an ass hole Charlie is, he doesn't resort to outright insults.

>There is strong statistical evidence that no race has a material intellectual advantage over each other. If it existed, it would be obvious in studies. It doesn’t exist. Therefore any differences that do exist must be trivially small.

Bro. You need to get with the program and understand the topic we are talking about. You're completely out of it and what you said is wrong. There is STRONG statistical evidence of different intelligence between races. Extremely strong. IQs well past the 95% confidence interval. Every expert on the face of the earth agrees with this. You'd be a fucking idiot if you didn't agree. The topic HAS already descended into the nuances here.

Focus, Einstein, this isn’t rocket science... I said it multiple times is that we don't know the "cause" of this difference. There are differences in IQ with race but we don't know if race itself is what caused the difference in intelligence. Common sense says it is a FACTOR that caused it ALONG with environment as different races live in different environments.

Materially it doesn't matter. Despite the cause the outcome is that difference races correlate with different levels of intelligence. China, and literally every first world Asian country and European country has superior IQ levels that are rising in the face of declining IQ levels in the US. Does it matter what's causing it? Not as much as the outcome.