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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by bongodongobob on Saturday September 13, 2025 @01:31AM (#45229577)
Our current regime lies through their teeth daily. Like obvious, completely made up lies. Every. Day. It's not a misunderstanding. One side is pushing for authoritarianism, one is not. One can be negotiated with by voting, the other, violence. I'm so fuckin tired of pretending there is just some kind of misunderstanding between both "sides".
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by DeathArrow on Saturday September 13, 2025 @03:57AM (#45230199)
>One can be negotiated with by voting, the other, violence.

Violence like shooting political opponents for voicing their opinions?

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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by immibis on Saturday September 13, 2025 @05:33AM (#45230700)
Proof by counterexample: I think it would have been a good decision to shoot Adolf Hitler for his opinions, don't you?
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by esafak on Saturday September 13, 2025 @12:20PM (#45233280)
Simpler example: WWII happened, causing more than Hitler to be killed. Wars are political acts.
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by immibis on Saturday September 13, 2025 @01:24PM (#45233751)
Sure would have been good if someone had killed Hitler before he started the war.
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by esafak on Saturday September 13, 2025 @01:35PM (#45233820)
I would have made a donation to his art school in return for admitting him and keeping him busy.
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by idle_zealot on Saturday September 13, 2025 @02:17AM (#45229756)
No, the video makes the point that it's not really a misunderstanding, there are fundamentally different values in tension. If you believe in and value hierarchy then authoritarianism is natural and desirable, the lies are just for assuaging your less committed or more sensitive allies and befuddling your enemies.
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by vintermann on Saturday September 13, 2025 @02:44AM (#45229881)
But people do not value hierarchy for its own sake. They value hierarchy when they're on top of it, or at least in the top half. There are not actually fundamentally different values, but different interests.
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Re:Life, work, death and the peasant: Rent and extraction by Terr_ on Saturday September 13, 2025 @02:54AM (#45229921)
It's a mistake to assume that it's just about advantage or greed.

People even relatively far down may believe The Hierarchy offers predictability and stability—even if I think their belief is incorrect.

Authoritarians tend to be fearful, and it offers a partial answer to those fears.

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