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Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by brookst on Thursday September 11, 2025 @09:06AM (#45211147)
I don’t disagree with your diagnosis of American culture, but the tip thing is just shifting wages from employer to customer. It’s no different from VAT versus sales tax: same result, different math.

Opting not to tip when it is part of the economic transaction is no different from walking out with the silverware; not expressly forbidden, just a breach of social contract.

Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by at-w on Thursday September 11, 2025 @12:10PM (#45213260)
>It’s no different from VAT versus sales tax: same result, different math.

There's lots of evidence that tips vary significantly based on the traits of the customer (like the customer's self-esteem and sense of shame: https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/ijchm-02...) and the employee asking for the tip (e.g. attractiveness and simple demographic characteristics: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01674...).

Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by AlecSchueler on Thursday September 11, 2025 @10:03AM (#45211838)
> walking out with the silverware; not expressly forbidden

Isn't property theft very expressly forbidden?

Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by gchamonlive on Thursday September 11, 2025 @09:59AM (#45211803)
Then why call it a tip? It's just cynical then, which I don't know what's worse.
Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by brookst on Friday September 12, 2025 @12:57AM (#45218743)
Plenty of customs don’t make logical sense, and plenty of words have dramatically changed meaning over time. Don’t read too much into the word. A “fine” used to mean a voluntary settlement.
Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by gchamonlive on Friday September 12, 2025 @08:03AM (#45221217)
You are right, I wasn't really thinking about how customs evolve organically. Outrage kinda blinded me because that experience was such a culture clash that clouded my understanding. Thanks. I mean, I still feel like using the word "tip" for something that is culturally not optional, even though you can opt out, is unnecessarily confusing and hostile, but that's what respecting foreign culture is all about.
Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by ToucanLoucan on Thursday September 11, 2025 @10:03AM (#45211842)
It's absolutely different because a customer is not legally required to tip, and if a customer decides not to, that is directly impacting a worker's take-home pay.

And walking out with silverware is theft, I genuinely have no idea where you pulled that from as a similar example.

Re:"No Tax on Tips" Includes Digital Creators, Too by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Thursday September 11, 2025 @04:38PM (#45215896)
> when it is part of the economic transaction

Well, shit, if I made it part of the economic transaction, you'd have a point. What you're saying is that the employers are not holding up their end of the transaction.