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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by greekrich92 on Thursday September 11, 2025 @08:45AM (#45210900)
There is no point in steel manning a bad faith position
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday September 11, 2025 @11:01AM (#45212477)
Those are exactly the positions you should try hardest to steelman. Fundamentally the purpose of steelmanning is to convince yourself of the strongest arguments for a position, which you can then counter.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by cosmicgadget on Thursday September 11, 2025 @11:21AM (#45212701)
You are thinking of a good faith opposing argument. Not an argument where the other person is just trying to waste your time.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by mock-possum on Thursday September 11, 2025 @12:39PM (#45213555)
Very much disagree - in a bad faith argument, countering does nothing, because the point is not to prove their position, the point is to hurt you, or play to their base, or to tire you or distract you and generally just to waste your time.

It’s more of a “the only winning move is not to play” situation. You win by refusing to take the bait, and shutting down the attempt to coerce you into playing along with the bad faith argument game.

Or, if you like - when faced with “heads I win, tails you lose,” the strategy is not to figure out a way to get the coin to land on its edge, or to end up suspended in midair, or to propose some sort of infinite ‘best two out of three’ regress - the strategy is to recognize the rigged game and walk away.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by johnnyanmac on Thursday September 11, 2025 @05:08PM (#45216119)
There's understanding disagreeable viewpoints and the there's failing to adhere to the paradox of tolerance.

There's no reason to steelman "black people shouldn't exist in the US", as the most extreme example. I can steelman it, but what am I getting out of this? What am I professing to an audience to steelman this? Steelmans are used to build empathy and sh synthesize solutions taking multiple viewpoints into account. This is the opposite.