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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by xvector on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @10:10PM (#45206889)
What are you even talking about? He was a shining example of what healthy debate looked like. I cannot think of a single other influencer that debated as openly as he did, on either side.
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by UncleMeat on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @10:39PM (#45207092)
Members and leaders within the TPUSA chapter at my local university engaged in a year+ long harassment campaign against multiple professors, including a friend of mine. This included writing hate speech against trans people (my friend is trans) in coursework right up to legally protected boundaries. This was done in concert with an effort to get these professors fired for "discriminating against conservatives."

I am confident that this was done in an organized fashion with support. There is no chance that these random children knew precisely where to place their hatred in ways that which keep them from getting expelled and also ensure that their professors had to regularly read hate speech whenever they went to grade assignments.

Kirk has visited this university and celebrated the TPUSA organization there.

Kirk's twitter feed is also filled with egregious homophobia, transphobia, racism, and sexism.

Kirk attended organized debates and used soft words in those debates for the camera so that he could "own" college students. But if you expand to look at his public words they quickly stop being so soft. And if you expand to look at the output of his organization, things become much worse.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by xvector on Thursday September 11, 2025 @08:50AM (#45210949)
Even if Toilet Paper USA was mean to people in your university, I doubt that had much to do with Kirk.

I never claimed that Kirk wasn't racist/misogynist/*ist, just that he invited open debate like nobody's business, which is a good thing regardless of your beliefs. I strongly disagree with Kirk's beliefs but I have zero problem with him sharing them. Open debate and even open criticism of people is critical to a functioning society.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by UncleMeat on Thursday September 11, 2025 @09:57AM (#45211767)
While I don't believe that Kirk personally organized this campaign, I do believe that this was materially supported by the TPUSA organization and that Kirk is responsible for the culture of the organization and the output of that culture.

Kirk invited open debate in particular contexts while acting against open debate in others. He was not operating under a principle of supporting open debate but instead used specific on camera interactions as a rhetorical device.