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Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by Simulacra on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @09:35PM (#45206630)
That's not possible when political parties and the media keep calling those they disagree with Nazis, fascist, and calling for their death. Go look at blue sky right now, it's like it's like it's New Year's Eve
Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by al_borland on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:35PM (#45207487)
We need to stop dismissing these comments and take them seriously. False claims like this are defamation, libel, and are inciting violence. I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure these are all crimes that we’ve just been shrugging off. These are the results.

If we want freedom of speech we need our speech to mean something and use it to seek the truth in good faith.

This is especially true for those holding political office or in the media. They should be held to a higher standard, as they are the example for the people.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by thephyber on Thursday September 11, 2025 @01:21AM (#45208071)
Dude, you need to take a pause and read up on this. It’s your civic duty to be informed and you are so very wrong about everything here.

Inciting violence is very different from defamation/libel.

No, lawmakers making false statements is not defamatory nor libelous. In fact, they have complete immunity while on the debate floor.

And defamation/libel have to be knowable false statements of fact which created demonstrable damage. Opinions can’t be defamatory. True statements can’t be defamatory. When Trump’s Chief of Staff, General Kelly, calls Trump a fascist and lists the definition of fascism and saying that he meets each one, that’s neither false nor inciting violence.

Maybe check your priors to see if you are more mad because people aren’t being prosecuted, or because what they are saying has truth to it.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by __loam on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:43PM (#45207550)
I condemn political violence, but it's really hard for me to look at not only the rhetoric coming from the right, but also the actions of the current administration and say it's not fascism. They've:

- Bombed multiple foreign countries without a congressional declaration of war

- Levied tariffs on trade without the consent of congress

- Built concentration camps with the express purpose of housing undesirable populations they're hoping to ethnically cleanse

- Arrested immigrants for deportation at the courthouse where those people are going through the legal immigration process

- Arrested immigrants who have legal permanent resident status over legally protected speech, before holding them for months at a time despite Habeus Corpus requests

- Arrested immigrants before illegally deporting them to a torture camp in El Salvador against the express orders of multiple judges, before refusing to return said immigrants to the country for months against judicial orders

- Ordered the National Guard to multiple US cities with no outstanding civil order issues against the wishes of the state Governors

- Illegally ordered the Marine corps into an American city in a law enforcement capacity

Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

It feels like this administration has multiple scandals a week that would have ended previous administrations. They're taking dangerous, illegal and frequent actions that fit the definition. It's not just hot rhetoric. People like Charlie Kirk have contributed to the media climate and national discourse that have laid the foundation for these actions. I don't think he should have died for that and I don't think random people should get to be the judge jury and executioner for people they don't like, but damn, open your eyes a little and actually look at what this administration has done and is doing. We're genuinely at a scary place in our history and I just hope we can all pull back from the edge here because I don't want to live through the complete disintegration of the rule of law or a violent civil conflict.

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by 303uru on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:52PM (#45207601)
Name media calling for the death of republicans or republican commentators.

I can name someone who called Trump a NAZI, JD Vance.

Go look at Twitter right now, it’s NYE for republicans. They’ve convinced themselves, sans evidence, that this was a leftist shooter. There are literally hundreds of thousands of posts foaming at the mouth that they can now hunt liberals and that the civil war has started. You’re doing the thing you claim to hate and frankly it’s disgusting.

'I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage.' - Charlie Kirk

Re:Charlie Kirk shot at event in Utah by dinkumthinkum on Thursday September 11, 2025 @01:22AM (#45208079)
Hasan Piker, FTFY.