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Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by coldtea on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @01:12PM (#45200755)
>I'm also fairly certain that Vance did not wander the streets of Middletown, feral and unparented. My understanding is that he was raised by his grand-parents, not that he lived with the chaos of his mother's situation.

So an addict mother, having to be raised by grand-parents, having to go to the army and then use the GI Bill to study, growing up in an declining small working class town in Ohio, are not enough?

He had to be "feral and unparented" to qualify? Because that's what people mean when they talk about the working and middle class "white American struggles"? Vicorian street urchins?

In any case, by those elements alone, he knows 100x about "white American struggles" than the average champion of the poor at the Met Gala and the New Yorker.

Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by UncleMeat on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @01:26PM (#45200932)
There is legitimate trauma in his past. But "grew up in poverty" is a distinct thing.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by OhMeadhbh on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @02:47PM (#45202006)
Is your point that childhood trauma makes him an expert on public policy about poverty? I would suggest the public administration degree he got did that.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by coldtea on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:21PM (#45203067)
I'd suggest first-person experience makes you more of an expert than any public administration degree. No shortage of clueless public administration degree holders, with no idea of the thing they're administering, only good in theoritical bullshitting and backstabbing.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by UncleMeat on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @10:34PM (#45207059)
No. My point is that "JD Vance famously grew up in poverty" is not well supported.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by lawlessone on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @01:25PM (#45200908)
>In any case, by those elements alone, he knows 100x about "white American struggles" than the average champion of the poor at the Met Gala and the New Yorker.

Doesn't that kinda make his current actions worse? The "met gala" people can claim ignorance, he understands struggling and still screws over the struggling.

Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by OhMeadhbh on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @02:41PM (#45201942)
Okay. Dude. You triggered me. The Marine Corps is not the Army. Nothing else you say has any merit with me because you can't get that basic fact right.

Are you an AI? Probably not. I think most LLMs would understand the difference between the Army and Marines.

Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by likeclockwork on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @03:25PM (#45202440)
Who cares about the exact breed of government dog?
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by OhMeadhbh on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:11PM (#45207295)
I do.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by coldtea on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @04:26PM (#45203136)
I don't know or care which specific branch he went to. The point I make is that he had to enlist as a way out and to fund his studies, he wasn't some dude born with a silver spoon.

Don't care about the distinction between them either, or their subdivisions. Most of the times I call all of it "the army" (as in armed forces) anyway, chalk it to dyslexia if you wish.

Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by OhMeadhbh on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @11:11PM (#45207301)
That's not how I've heard him tell it.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by stinkbeetle on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @07:51PM (#45205781)
You're triggered and having a tantrum because somebody confused two branches of the military in a way that had no impact to the substance of conversation?

That is not conversing in good faith, and is against the rules of the forum. Please try to do better.