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Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by NotGMan on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @09:51PM (#45192108)
Comparing bureaucrats who do nothing productive 95% of the time with farmers who actually work from dawn to dusk really is peak derangement.
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by Terr_ on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @09:53PM (#45192126)
That's not my reading at all.

Rather: Farmers hate what monopolies do to them, yet they still strongly vote against candidates and policies that might prevent those monopolies, or curb monopolistic abuse.

At best, they've revealed they actually care more about other issues at the polls.

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:00PM (#45192187)
Which line says they’re voting against anything that might help? I saw nothing like that in there.
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by runako on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:10PM (#45192253)
The current President literally disrupted their export markets last time he was in office. It wasn't a stretch to expect him to continue doing more of the same.

The line was "President".

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @03:19AM (#45194339)
Got it, so there was no line in the article and you’re just whining irrelevantly. Just wanted to be sure before I ignored it as the stupid-ass comment it is.
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by Terr_ on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:14PM (#45192287)
> Which line says they’re voting

This one: "The same folks who clapped and cheered as Musk revved a chainsaw".

That refers to an event this year after Trump took office, during the Conservative Public Action Conference (CPAC) where Elon Musk made an appearance, then on behalf of the Trump administration. (The falling-out where accused Trump of being a pedophile was later.)

With that context, how would you characterize the kind of voter who (A) bothers to tune into CPAC after the election and (B) claps and cheers at the spectacle?

It's reasonable to assume they still voted for the guy who said monopolies weren't a problem [0] and sided with monopoly agribusinesses over small farmers [1].

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/business/trump-economy-mo...

[1] https://www.americanprogress.org/article/10-ways-trump-admin...

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @03:24AM (#45194369)
Crazy how “chainsaw”, “musk”, and “revved” don’t show up anywhere in the article.

You’d think people this angry would at least have a basis for it!

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by Terr_ on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @03:43AM (#45194511)
> in the article

Why on earth would it be? You've lost the thread, this is about djinnandtonic's claims, not what the article says. Here, a quick recap:

1. djinnandtonic: I have no sympathy for the complaining farmers in this article, who are probably ones that cheered a separate chainsawing-bureaucrats event. They willfully chose a cruel mess.

2. NotGMan: Comparing the misfortune of good farmers to the misfortune of bad bureaucrats is unfair.

3. Terr: djinanndtonic wasn't comparing the two groups, djinnandtonic was using that event to to argue that rural farmers' voted for the mess they find themselves in.

4. Kulahan: Which line says farmers are voting that way?

5. Terr: djinanndtonic's line right here about the chainsawing-bureaucrats thing, because it's a reference to [...]

6. Kulahan: OMG THAT LINE ISN'T EVEN IN THE ARTICLE!111

7. Terr: Of course it isn't, because the article wasn't about their vote patterns, that was introduced in the HN comment that NotGMan critiqued. Here's a recap [Recursion Error Detected]

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @02:03PM (#45201472)
I was making a point that complaining about strawmen you invent is a waste of time.

The people who clapped as musk revved a chainsaw and then went home and complained about farm shit don’t exist. Farmers aren’t spending all day on Twitter. They don’t even know who musk is aside from the CEO of Tesla.

I apologize for throwing you for such a loop.

Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by djinnandtonic on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @09:58PM (#45192161)
Google the farm bill. Farmers are most successful when they work the system for handouts. Most farming is not economically viable otherwise
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:00PM (#45192183)
Did you read the article above which explicitly states why farmers believe handouts are bad for the whole system?
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by djinnandtonic on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @10:05PM (#45192213)
I guess that would be very typical, grabbing gov't assistance with both hands and whining about socialism the whole time
Re:Three farmers on monopolies and mismanagement in U.S. agr... by kulahan on Wednesday September 10, 2025 @03:20AM (#45194346)
You mean explicitly stating the assistance is bad and should stop?

How will you fit that into your desperate attempt to hate?