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Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by tptacek on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @12:02PM (#45183939)
Regardless of the colorability of your argument, you're responsible for how it hits and shapes the thread, and whether you intended to or not, you led off with a a clause that comes across "tee-hee aren't I edgy", which makes it difficult to read good faith into the rest of the comment. If you're writing something that could be misread as a step into a racewar thread, longstanding HN norms (let me know if you need admin cites) put the onus on you to write carefully so you won't be misread, and, in some cases, there's no way to effectively prevent those misreadings and you simply should not write the comment.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by BJones12 on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @12:27PM (#45184371)
Or you could just not imply that people are racist when they want to discuss the truth.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by pfannkuchen on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @12:54PM (#45184796)
I don’t see where race comes in, necessarily.

We just need to compare with country of origin performance. If a family relocates from a place with low scores to a place with high scores, can you explain why you think we would expect their scores to rapidly increase to match the new place? I can think of many factors that would work against this that have nothing to do with race or genetics.

If the study is not controlled for this, then the education system at large may not have the kind of problem we would think about if we ignored this aspect. That seems pretty important to the discussion, I think?

Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by tptacek on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @01:31PM (#45185383)
I don't think it necessarily does come in! I just think you have to be careful about this stuff, and the comment you wrote wasn't careful. I wouldn't care, except it spawned a gnarly thread --- that thread is what I noticed first, not anything you wrote.
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by pfannkuchen on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @01:51PM (#45185654)
For future reference, and as an example, how would you recommend I rephrase my comment to preclude gnarlification?
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by tptacek on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @01:56PM (#45185742)
I think if you literally just struck the first clause, you'd have a fine comment. I'm not the boss of you, though!
Re:US HS students lose ground in math and reading, continuin... by EnPissant on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:59PM (#45191249)
This is just a long-winded way of calling them racist and threatening them with a ban.