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Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by XorNot on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:23AM (#45179103)
I'm pretty sure Europe doesn't want to cede AI development entirely to China.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by helqn on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:35AM (#45179218)
Europe has ceded development of all tech to China and the US, I don’t see why AI should be any different.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by hirako2000 on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:45AM (#45179285)
And Europe is now waking up to that. The people have access to YouTube and caught up on what's been going in European industries. Entering a multi polar world they are at least now informed.

Edit: related, France had many of these commissions to report on the dismantling of it's industrial fabric: https://youtu.be/1OH5PqO_O1Q

Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by palata on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:43AM (#45179275)
Because it did doesn't mean it still wants to.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by Ringz on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @06:48AM (#45180228)
When you talk about China, you may have confused development with production.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by portaouflop on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @05:04AM (#45179450)
Has it though? Last time I checked EU still is the worlds main producer of semiconductor lithography - which is arguably the basis for all tech worldwide
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by Certhas on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @05:45AM (#45179769)
It hasn't. Multipolar world, expertise exists everywhere.

But user-facing innovation is coming from the US. No EU Apple, Google, Amazon. And infrastructure R&D in China is unprecedented. They are reaping a multi-decadal investment in higher education.

The US has infinite VC money, a hypercompetitive environment that rewards first-movers, an appetite for letting these first-movers reap the benefits of their monopoly, and a political class that aligns with business interests. China has a coherent STEM education story and protections/state support for key industries. The EU sits at an awkward inbetween spot. It's raison d'etre is enabling free markets, and consequently it doesn't allow national champions and strong industrial politics. But it also doesn't have the same hypercompetitive culture as the US, and it's political class is less aligned with business interests.

The thing is, I don't really want the EU to compete with China and the US on these issues. If you have one system that makes people happy, but where eggs cost 1.20€ and iPhones have a smaller screen resolution, and one where people are miserable but eggs cost 1.10€ and iPhones have a higher screen resolution, then in a free market the system that makes people miserable wins.

I believe there are hard questions, no easy answers, and the EU, being a consensus mechanism for national states that hold the power, is not the best institutional set-up to tackle them.

Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by mgaunard on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @06:56AM (#45180302)
The EU is mostly a hotspot for leisure, tourism, food, fashion.

A lot of people enjoy living there, meaning there is necessarily some local talent that doesn't get captured by the global markets.

Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by pegasus on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @06:30AM (#45180087)
"a political class that aligns with business interests" - or is it the other way around, more recently? - Big tech firms bowing to Trump and all that.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by mahrain on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @06:50AM (#45180243)
China, Japan and USA all have their chip machines, just ASML is making the most advanced ones.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by bakugo on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:26AM (#45179133)
Don't get me wrong, I do wish Mistral's models were competitive with the Chinese ones. But right now, they simply aren't, and might never be in the future.

If you want the best option available while keeping your data within the EU, running a Chinese open weights model on hardware within the EU is likely the way to go.

Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by sublimefire on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @07:05AM (#45180377)
Why would anyone want to use Chinese tech is a mystery. There are too many geopolitical issues which makes it a risk. It is just not viable anymore to sign multimillion €$£ contracts with the companies originating from there. Scientific collab for sure but not more. I am not talking about toy applications here. Any significant deployment requires support etc from a provider. If data is very sensitive then doing confidential AI might be a better focus.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by Urahandystar on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:34AM (#45179210)
Competitive how? Is coding the only use case people talk about the best model?
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by debdut on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @05:03AM (#45179445)
Not even coding, in most stuff, Mistral models are as embarrassing as LLaMa, because they’re actually just LLaMa
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by willvarfar on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @04:37AM (#45179227)
That's very short-term. Whilst using whatever models now, Europe should be investing in catching-up before the inevitable future enshitification of the US models and the future political collision with both the US and China.
Re:Mistral AI raises €1.7B to accelerate technological progr... by debdut on Tuesday September 09, 2025 @05:04AM (#45179455)
Enshittification and Political BS has already happened to Mistral