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Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by ndriscoll on Thursday September 04, 2025 @08:49AM (#45126663)
I just tried it and no, you can't. I don't really even see how you could. Where is the form supposed to go? Is Grandma supposed to rent a server somewhere to do processing? Where?

25 years ago we had wysiwyg editors to build web pages, and she could just include a link to email her to have people ask her to "sign up" (the entire point of a sewing club is to socialize. You don't need an automated newsletter or whatever. That's for people that want to sell you something). You'd put it into the space your ISP gave you, or Windows actually included a personal web server. You had to be somewhat technical to use the Windows server, but it could've been made more friendly instead of being removed, and personal computers should make it easy to share a static website.

We've clearly regressed since then. People think you need an engineer or AI to build basic web pages. My actual grandma was doing some of this stuff when I was a kid in the 90s, as was I.

What happened to the web seems analogous to me to as if we abandoned word processors and spreadsheets and said you need a six-figure engineer to do custom programming any time you need the features of one of those things.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by ansgri on Thursday September 04, 2025 @05:08PM (#45132206)
100% this. At that time if one needed a simple custom database client with GUI and analytical reports, the go-to solution was MS Access and it was working well. Could even be placed on a shared drive. Now, as accepted solution, you either pay for different SaaSes, each with a fraction of functionality, or have to code a bespoke website using overcomplicated frameworks.
Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by dangus on Friday September 05, 2025 @04:59AM (#45136469)
MS access still exists and is still maintained and offered for sale.

You should not look back on those solutions and neglect to acknowledge their limitations. Access can only handle small databases (maximum 2GB) and about 100 simultaneous connections.

Access is basically a product of the technological limitations of its time. It isn’t designed the way it is because that way is the best design.

The kind of business that relied on Access is going to find that solutions like Airtable are far easier and more powerful, and certainly less prone to data loss than mom and pop’s shared drive. There are even open source self-hosted alternatives like NocoDB and Baserow (or cloud hosted).

You’ll inevitably complain about the subscription cost of SaaS solutions but it’s not like MS Office business licenses were ever cheap.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by dangus on Friday September 05, 2025 @04:12AM (#45136191)
Grandma could ask the AI agent literally all these questions and get solid answers. At any point you get confused you can just ask what to do. You can highlight a line of code and ask “what does this mean?” You can even say “I want this web page to be put online what do I do?”

Explain to me how you did that 15 years ago. Ask on stackoverflow and wait for a human to respond?

You’re also taking my example application way too literally. No I don’t know why Grandma needs a signup form, I just couldn’t think of a web app off the top of my head.

And my goodness you’re acting like you’ve never heard of Squarespace, which is 1000x better than Geocities ever was, by the way.

MS Access and WSYWIG tools like FrontPage and iWeb were not good. I know because I was there and I used them at work. A link to your email (spam spam spam) is not a replacement for an application with a database.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by chipsrafferty on Monday September 08, 2025 @02:16PM (#45171827)
15 years ago I couldn't order mozzarella sticks in bed from my phone.