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Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by safety1st on Wednesday September 03, 2025 @11:44PM (#45123314)
This Marxist stuff is tedious because A) It's not going to happen, B) The original premise of the site was for startup founders and hackers to discuss startup founder and hacker things. Worker revolutions are neither.

Look I hope the workers get their fair share. I don't think I'm their enemy. But, also I am not one of them, I am a capitalist, I own a small business. I am a hacker, I am always trying to concoct creative solutions to problems through code. I happen to still think this is a great way for an American to make it in life, because I did, and mainly want to help like-minded folk, or learn from them.

I wish more of the original Hacker News spirit was still around, instead of this Reddity r/antiwork stuff that seems to be creeping in. I get it the US government and economy are controlled by nepo babies and monopolies I'm not happy about it either, but we don't really need Hacker News to become a Marxism forum.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by photonthug on Thursday September 04, 2025 @12:03AM (#45123425)
Angry entitled people who are raving about off topic stuff should quiet down! -- Sincerely, other angry entitled people of opposite alignment who prefer to control topics under discussion.

I wondered whether you had a track record of promoting "creative solutions to problems through code" and saw your last submission was an attempt to drum up outrage about google trials, suggesting someone "should be investigated for conflicts of interest, and perhaps disbarred". Yes, purely items of technical interest for hackers, very un-politicized.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by safety1st on Thursday September 04, 2025 @02:01AM (#45124040)
Look this isn't a forum for general advocacy of Marxist political thought, it just isn't. That's off topic.

Whereas it IS a forum for discussing the biggest tech court case of the century.

The site was not established to give equal time to all political ideologies in all threads, which is what you seem to be implying.

This is all in the Hacker News guidelines. Let me paste the relevant part for you since you don't seem to know about it:

Hacker News Guidelines

What to Submit

On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by guappa on Thursday September 04, 2025 @04:46AM (#45125094)
Hackers find communism interesting :)
Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by photonthug on Thursday September 04, 2025 @07:32AM (#45126091)
About those rules. Any high-profile court case is by definition crime/politics, and all over TV news. Have you recently mentioned the name of any famous person(s) in your comments, offering opinions and critiques perhaps? But that's another way of saying "celebrities". So I'd say you're unambiguously failing on 4 of these criteria. In terms of forming teams and bitching about the refs decisions, not much difference between court-cases and sports either, neither are big on inspiring curiosity. But hey.. rules are for other people right boss?

And stop telling people to "look". You look. Because listen, I know that phrases like this one are well-loved by a certain type of person. Shows who's the adult in the room, and also frightens subordinates into silence, right? But understand me now when I say that it's much too transparent when used too often. Realize that there are other adults in the room, and when you toss out too many imperatives too fast then it's easy to see how much you want to control people as well as the topics under discussion.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by safety1st on Thursday September 04, 2025 @10:45AM (#45127883)
You are just throwing ad hominems around, distorting facts in order to attack me, and contributing nothing that other people would want to read at this point. The fact of the matter is that the Google case is relevant to this forum and random political baiting is not. I hope it is actioned and your slop is dealt with as it detracts from the quality of this community.
Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by wolvesechoes on Thursday September 04, 2025 @04:30AM (#45124993)
> The original premise of the site was for startup founders and hackers to discuss startup founder and hacker things.

Good that people finally open their eyes.

> But, also I am not one of them, I am a capitalist, I own a small business

And that's a false-consciousness at its finest. You are closer to these workers than to those that really own capital.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by safety1st on Thursday September 04, 2025 @05:08AM (#45125203)
Not really. I grew up below the poverty line. Everyone I knew was working class. Some of these people are still very dear to me.

However, I did something which virtually none of them did. I wanted to get out. So I identified a skillset that the world desperately wanted, and I spent thousands of hours learning how to build and sell with that skillset. Frequently I was criticized or ridiculed or simply ignored, but it worked and I made money. Then I used that money to amass assets.

This doesn't mean I think Elon Musk is my friend or a good guy or something or even that I think the system is just, I don't. But I correctly identified the ladder out of the working class trap. I have Marxist friends who didn't. They're still poor. They still won't listen. Their lives still suck.

The biggest thing I don't like about these Marxist politics warriors is that they actually seem resigned to a future where huge corporations control our destiny, as long as an even huger government extracts some value for the little people. They seem to think that will work but I saw in my own life that concentration of wealth and power always fails the little guy. My philosophy is that it's better to bust all the big guys down (don't mistake this for an endorsement of unregulated capitalism, it isn't) and give everybody the ability to amass their own wealth by creating businesses. I think this idea is way more hackerish than Marxism, because it's all about people building and creating without needing someone else's permission.

If you are a worker, you should want to become an owner. You should not want to appeal to a higher authority for a distribution, because the hand that feeds you will always control you. You will not be free. You should strive to own and control your own slice of the pie because that is the only thing which will make you free. The more workers we can convert into owners, the better, and I'm not talking some fantastical idea of collective ownership here (at least in today's system, it basically doesn't exist).

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by nemomarx on Thursday September 04, 2025 @07:42AM (#45126164)
Ironically, this is actually pretty close to what Marx writes in capital. Small owner operated businesses for artisans are a model he talks about, and owning your own tools and means of creating value and so on.

The state owning things on your behalf is not very true to the spirit of it at all, I would say.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by wolvesechoes on Thursday September 04, 2025 @07:52AM (#45126239)
> Not really. I grew up below the poverty line. Everyone I knew was working class. Some of these people are still very dear to me.

It wouldn't be false consciousness if you would be from wealthy family.

Yes, working people should climb the ladder, but without government intervention and putting collars on wealthy necks there won't be any ladder for them. There would be no small business owners like you. This is why I think you are very wrong when stating you are not one of them. In a sense that is true, but in other you have more common interest with those without any capital that with those really wealthy. But those really wealthy definitely want you to think otherwise.

And I have an impression your view of Marxism is forged on Reddit posts and not Marxists literature.

Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by guappa on Friday September 05, 2025 @02:33AM (#45135570)
Small business owners for some reason always think they are in the same class as the other business owners.
Re:Where's the shovelware? Why AI coding claims don't add up by andrekandre on Thursday September 04, 2025 @08:46PM (#45133878)

  > The biggest thing I don't like about these Marxist politics warriors is that they actually seem resigned to a future where huge corporations control our destiny, as long as an even huger government extracts some value for the little people. 
legit question, what kind of marxist wants large corporations controlling everything?