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Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by peterwwillis on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @10:05AM (#4510690)
So your philosophy is to ignore the things you don't like? That may help you sleep better at night, but the world doesn't stop turning when you close your eyes. IMHO a better philosophy is accept the hypocrisy of willful indifference or try to make a difference. I don't find willful indifference to be 'action'.
Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by Tyrannosaurs on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @12:27PM (#4511439)
I have no need for such mental gymnastics to sleep at night - I have small children, I could commit murder and I'm tired enough that it wouldn't be a problem at least as far as sleep was concerned.

I'm not indifferent, I'm just pointing out that viewing this as an Apple / Foxconn problem misses the point, and that most action based on that view will be ineffective and possibly even counter productive.

Journalists piggy back these stories on Apple because that shifts papers or gets clicks. That's fine as it raises the issue and puts pressure on companies to improve things (which seems to be happening).

As a result of this Apple are probably the most scrutinised company in China and are likely at the better end of things when it comes to how workers are treated. What does boycotting them and giving your business to a less scrutinised company really achieve?

The point is if you're going to use this as part of your buying decision, then assess it properly and apply the same standards to all the products and companies you are considering.

As for my position, I'm not sure what this wilful indifference really is.

My position is that other than monitoring the situation and revising my views as things change (for the better or worse), any significant action I might take would inconvenience me in a manner disproportionate to the impact it might have and that effort would be better invested elsewhere.

Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by epo on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @10:26AM (#4510805)
Big words. The Internet is full of windbags asserting we need to make a difference. Notice how none of these people ever seem to attempt to do so? They usually limit themselves to vacuous back-of-a-cornflake-packet, trendy posturing like this.
Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by peterwwillis on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @11:22AM (#4511061)
...Which is why the first option in my philosophy is accepting the hypocrisy. I actually am totally fine with slave labor because it's much easier than the latter option: doing something about it.
Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by Tyrannosaurs on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @01:53PM (#4511921)
Why's it hypocrisy?

Simply doing nothing is only hypocritical if that's contrary to other actions or statements I make.

Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by peterwwillis on Wednesday September 12, 2012 @02:24PM (#4512154)
Doing nothing as an action is hypocritical because it's not really an action. You're declaring you are trying to do something [to rectify that which you object to], but in fact are not doing anything. It's like a politician saying "i'm going on a fact-finding mission to resolve this issue of pollution of the watershed", when in fact they have no intent of finding any facts or solving any issues. But it sounds nice.

I guess my point is I find embracing consumerism at the expense of cheap labor to be more honest than refusing to admit my role in not being a solution.

Re:Journalist goes undercover making the iPhone 5 at Foxconn by Tyrannosaurs on Thursday September 13, 2012 @11:58AM (#4516850)
Doing nothing is an action if it's a concious decision rather than just idleness.

You need to distinguish "I believe there are things I can do but I'm not doing them" (which is hypocrisy) with "I've thought about it and I don't think there is any meaningful action I can take" (which isn't).

I think I'm in the second camp. I may be wrong in my assessment of the situation and what I can do, but if that's true it's misguided rather than hypocrisy.