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Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by vaksel on Monday January 26, 2009 @11:01AM (#450537)
why does this guy care? He is a senator from Iowa...are there any "high tech" jobs in Iowa that would get affected by the H1-B program?

H1-B program is very important to this country. It keeps us ahead of the curve by draining the talent worldwide and adding it to United States brain capital.

Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by potatolicious on Monday January 26, 2009 @11:38AM (#450611)
I say we don't go far enough with the H-1B program. Many people I know are uneasy and unwilling to sign their lives away to a single company, to do with at their whim, for a chance to maybe become a legitimate US resident in a decade.

The problem is that, once you are in the US on a H-1B your life is in the hands of your employer. This is ripe for employee abuse (and one of the major contributors to wage depression in immigrant labor).

What the US really needs is a legitimized skilled labor immigration program. Something whose job is actually to steal talent from abroad and add it to America, instead of this "job shortage" excuse and subverting a different system to accomplish the same ends. If you can bring people into the country and give them employment mobility (the same way my parents came into Canada), the US would be far better off, and wage depression due to immigration would be reduced.

[edit] As a more concrete issue: here in Canada we have significant problems with skilled immigrants coming and not being able to find jobs, and thus being a drain on our social systems. This can easily avoided if certain classes (i.e. anyone not exceptionally talented) would need an employer sponsor to apply for immigration. You would need to secure a job before entering the US, but once you're in you are mobile.

Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by Xichekolas on Monday January 26, 2009 @02:25PM (#450857)
While I'm generally all for the change you propose, you have to be realistic and realize this could be abused.

I could set up a company that would, in exchange for buying $3000 of my plastic toys, hire someone and let them resign a month later. I can even let them do the month's work from their new home in the US. Then they can go off and do as they please.

Granted this is just an enforcement issue, and enforcement is part of whatever system we have, but I think you could save a lot of effort by just instituting some kind of entrance exam system to certify them as a 'knowledge worker'. (At which point they can enter and leave freely, with full job mobility.)

As an added bonus, you could administer this exam to citizens as well as a form of professional certification, which would probably be more useful to employers than the existing degree system.

Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by sethg on Monday January 26, 2009 @05:04PM (#451142)
I could set up a company that would, in exchange for buying $3000 of my plastic toys, hire someone and let them resign a month later.

There are ways to prevent that. For example, the government could require that (a) the employer sponsoring a new immigrant has to pay six months of the immigrant's unemployment insurance in advance (perhaps put into an escrow account), and (b) if the immigrant is neither employed nor collecting unemployment insurance for more than, say, two months, then the visa is terminated.

Another possibility I've seen floated is that the government make only a fixed number of work visas available, but auction them off. Then the immigrants let in would be the ones who are likely to add the most value to their employers.

Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by potatolicious on Monday January 26, 2009 @09:09PM (#451472)
Actually that's also how we solve it in Canada for relatives of immigrants. In order to bring kin over into Canada one must sign a commitment to cover their social welfare expenses (if any) for a period of 10 years. This has done wonders to curtail people bringing in elderly relatives who do nothing but sit on welfare checks. This also holds someone accountable without leaving someone behind.
Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by Dilpil on Monday January 26, 2009 @11:13AM (#450564)
He cares because he represents a large group of people who believe in American superiority. Their worldview dictates that Americans are superior, and have 'dibs' on the products of the global economy. To suggest to them that there exist foreigners who are smarter and more skilled than Americans- even if only a small number of Americans, and even if only at a specific task- is quite offensive.
Re:Senator To Microsoft: What Was That You Said About Wantin... by jimbokun on Monday January 26, 2009 @11:42AM (#450622)
I think that political necessity demands that American politicians claim the superiority of the American worker. But I do not think that the American worker believes that at all, quite the opposite. The American worker believes that there are a lot of people in other parts of the world just as educated and just as intelligent, willing to do their job for much less money, and wants the government to protect them from this reality.