Re:Are OpenAI and Anthropic Losing Money on Inference?
by churchill on Thursday August 28, 2025 @10:52AM
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Like we've seen with Karparthy & Murati starting their own labs, it's to be expected that over the next 5 years, hundreds of engineers & researchers at the bleeding edge will quit and start competing products. They'll reliably raise $1b to $5b in weeks, too. And it's logical: for an investor, a startup founded by a Tier 1 researcher will more reliably 10-100x your capital, vs. Anthropic & OpenAI that are already at >$250b+.
This talent diffusion guarantees that OpenAI and Anthropic will have to keep sinking in ever more money to stay at the bleeding edge, or upstarts like DeepSeek and incumbents like Meta will simply outspend you/hire away all the Tier 1 talent to upstage you.
The only companies that'll reliably print money off AI are TSMC and NVIDIA because they'll get paid either way. They're selling shovels and even if the gold rush ends up being a bust, they'll still do very well.
Re:Are OpenAI and Anthropic Losing Money on Inference?
by JSR_FDED on Thursday August 28, 2025 @11:50AM
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True. But at some point the fact that there are many many players in the market will start to diminish the valuation of each of those players, don’t you think? I wonder what that point would be.
Re:Are OpenAI and Anthropic Losing Money on Inference?
by re-thc on Thursday August 28, 2025 @10:55AM
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> But if investment for AI were to dry up everyone would stop throwing so much money at R&D, and if everyone else isn't investing in new models you don't have to either
IF.
If you do stagnate for years someone will eventually decide to invest and beat you. Intel has proven so.
Re:Are OpenAI and Anthropic Losing Money on Inference?
by simianwords on Thursday August 28, 2025 @11:54AM
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Yeah so? How does that change anything?
And whether companies can survive in that scenario depends almost entirely on their unit economics of inference, ignoring current R&D costs