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Re:Java's Cover (April 2001) by dasil003 on Tuesday September 11, 2012 @08:28AM (#4505013)
I voted you back up because I don't think it deserves the downvote, but here's the thing: mediocrity exists and it gets things done. For you and I who do not wish to tolerate mediocrity our only option is to find work environments that suit our tastes, but we're not going to stop the machine through our indignation.

Plus, even if a company rejects mediocrity in its DNA, a non-technical organization is most likely going to have structural issues that will drive out good programmers anyway. It's possible for a non-technical organization to learn to value and retain good programmers, but there are many factors that need to come together, and statistically I think the majority will never figure it out.

Finally, there's an amazing thing about code is that once it works, it can continue to work in the exact same fashion indefinitely as long as nothing changes. From experience we both know that it's much better to do things right so that you have a maintainable and flexible system that can grow with an organization, but that is not a strict requirement for code to generate value in the short to medium time frames that most companies operate. Just because code is completely unmaintainable, and the cost of comparably trivial maintenance becomes exorbitant, doesn't mean that it doesn't have real business value. We privileged alpha programmers have the luxury of avoiding jobs that have to deal with this, but it's out there and it's a huge proportion of production code (I'd wager it's the majority). In the grand scheme of things it's all good though, nothing lasts forever anyway. Bad code could be one more thing that hastens the demise of an atrophying company, or it could be quietly deleted and replaced by newer systems once it's outlived its usefulness.

Re:Java's Cover (April 2001) by SoftwareMaven on Tuesday September 11, 2012 @09:48AM (#4505359)
there's an amazing thing about code is that once it works, it can continue to work in the exact same fashion indefinitely as long as nothing changes

No business stays the same. All systems have to change, either due to evolving business needs or because the data inside them are growing. The first means bad code getting changed, generally at incredibly high cost. The second puts stress on critical points in the bad code, generally causing unexpected and intermittent failures.

Re:Java's Cover (April 2001) by dasil003 on Tuesday September 11, 2012 @10:15AM (#4505517)
Of course. I'm not sure how having read my post you could come to the conclusion that I don't understand that.

But the point is that this does not preclude businesses getting value from maintenance-nightmare software.