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Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by imtringued on Sunday August 24, 2025 @06:24AM (#45003022)
Consciousness as illusion is illogical. If that was true then consciousness would have been evolved away because it is unnecessary.

It's more likely that there is a physical law that makes consciousness necessary.

We don't perceive what our eyes see, we perceive a projection of reality created by the brain and we intuitively understand more than we can see.

We know that things are distinct objects and what kind of class they belong to. We don't just perceive random patches of texture.

Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by jjaksic on Sunday August 24, 2025 @09:25AM (#45004095)
Illusion doesn't imply it's unnecessary. Humans (and animals) had a much higher probability of survival as individuals and as species if their experiences felt more "real and personal".
Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by root_axis on Sunday August 24, 2025 @12:59PM (#45005784)
If it has a functional purpose then it's not an illusion.
Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by galangalalgol on Sunday August 24, 2025 @01:32PM (#45006039)
That is in interesting viewpoint. Firstly, evolution on long time scales hits plenty of local minima. But also, it gets semantic in that illusions or delusions can be beneficial, and in that way aid reproduction. In this specific case, the idea is that the shortcut of using the model of models as self saves a pointer indirection every time we use it. Meditation practices that lead to "ego death" seem to work by drawing attention to the process of updating that model so that it is aware of the update. Which breaks the shortcut, like thinking too much about other autonomous processes such as blinking or breathing.
Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by root_axis on Sunday August 24, 2025 @02:57PM (#45006704)
I'm just not sure what the label "illusion" tells us in the case of consciousness. Even if it were an illusion, what implications follow from that assetion?