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Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by tomrod on Sunday August 24, 2025 @12:13AM (#45001335)
I mean, I'm conscious to a degree, and can alter that state through a number of activities. I can't speak for you or Metzinger ;).

But seriously, I get why free will is troubleaome, but the fact people can choose a thing, work at the thing, and effectuate the change against a set of options they had never considered before an initial moment of choice is strong and sufficient evidence against anti free will claims. It is literally what free will is.

Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by andreasmetsala on Sunday August 24, 2025 @02:24AM (#45001860)
> But seriously, I get why free will is troubleaome, but the fact people can choose a thing, work at the thing, and effectuate the change against a set of options they had never considered before an initial moment of choice is strong and sufficient evidence against anti free will claims.

Do people choose a thing or was the thing chosen for them by some inputs they received in the past?

Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by prmph on Sunday August 24, 2025 @09:18AM (#45004055)
Our minds and intuitive logic systems are too feeble to grasp how free will can be a thing.

It's like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a well educated person or scientist from the 16th century without the benefit of experimental evidence. No way they'd believe you. In fact, they'd accuse you of violating basic logic.

Re:AGI is an engineering problem, not a model training problem by tomrod on Sunday August 24, 2025 @04:10PM (#45007344)
Yes to both, but the first is possible in a vacuum and therefore free will exists.