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Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by BeetleB on Friday August 22, 2025 @06:54PM (#44990913)
Someone showed me OSMAnd recently while we were hiking. I installed it as soon as I got home. Great for hiking.

Then last week I used it for navigation (on a phone with no SIM card).

Absolutely. Terrible.

Worst navigation app I've seen. Told me to make a turn at an intersection that did not allow turns. Then at another intersection, it told me to "Turn left", but the display clearly showed it going straight. I'm guessing that the straight road probably is angled 1 degree or something at the intersection and the app was viewing that as a turn.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by neilv on Friday August 22, 2025 @09:47PM (#44992229)
For an open source Android app for OpenStreetMap data, I like Organic Maps, and it normally works great with locally-cached maps. I've had better luck with it than with Google Maps or Apple Maps on phones.

(Though, I should mention that twice in the last year I've had Organic Maps become hopelessly confused about where I was, and where I should go. Both times, it had gotten a good GPS location, but then got confused while being out for an extended period of time, like maybe it was dead-reckoning only after that initial lock.)

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by crinkly on Saturday August 23, 2025 @02:29AM (#44993752)
+1 for organic maps. Have used it hiking and travelling all over the world. Never had any issues with it.

Not had any GPS problems other than that time I was in an area where it was being jammed. Bloody Russians.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by Freak_NL on Saturday August 23, 2025 @06:34AM (#44994927)
Regarding Organic Maps: I would recommend keeping tabs on what is happening there since this year. They seem to be having significant governance issues.

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/organic-maps-open-lett...

Short story: forget Organic Maps, use successor CoMaps or competitor OsmAnd.

https://www.comaps.app/about-us/

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by rpdillon on Saturday August 23, 2025 @08:20AM (#44995454)
I was vaguely aware of this drama but hadn't looked into it. After reading through your link, I've switched over to Comaps. I don't like lack of transparency in community driven projects. Appreciate the flag!
Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by neilv on Saturday August 23, 2025 @12:38PM (#44997114)
Thank you, that's interesting and a concern.

Do you have pointers to information about the governance and legitimacy of CoMaps?

(I see a mention that it's non-profit, but no statement about what kind of non-profit, not even on the donate page where that info is customary and relevant for US tax reasons. Also, I see no mention of who's who, nor how they operate.)

The closest I find is this:

https://www.comaps.app/support/what-is-the-comaps-history/

> As a result of the issues not being resolved, in April 2025, the community of former Organic Maps contributors created the CoMaps project, based on the Organic Maps open-source code.

If what that sounds like is true (that it does represent the community of contributors), it still will be important to have safeguards against someone taking over the project.

Or, if what that sounds like isn't true, that could be bad.

One matter that will have to be resolved with governance (if it hasn't already), is that there's what looks like an allegation that the CoMaps project is already tainted with code to which is expressly doesn't have license:

https://codeberg.org/comaps/comaps/pulls/1039#issuecomment-6...

A concern is that a funded commercial competitor could bankrupt a less-funded volunteer project with lawyer fees just arguing the merits of that.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by Freak_NL on Saturday August 23, 2025 @12:47PM (#44997182)
Nope, all I know is what I picked up in the OpenStreetMap community, like that thread on the forums, and this open letter:

https://www.comaps.app/news/2025-04-16/1/

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by opensourebuild on Monday August 25, 2025 @04:12AM (#45011491)
The claim about open-source is coming from the shareholder of Organic Maps, Alex, but there is no basis to it, as the code for that repository is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license.

It appears Alex is angry about the fork and doing anything possible to spread negativity.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by biodranik on Tuesday August 26, 2025 @12:26PM (#45028757)
The code used by the fork was never published. It was stolen from a private repository and a private server, and then published/used in the fork without the authors' approval. That's a serious legal issue.

The fork also took the new website design that was developed for Organic Maps even before the Organic Maps website was updated.

Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by palata on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @04:54AM (#45037034)
Hmm... This says otherwise, with detailed explanations and screenshots: [1][2]

It shows that you, biodranik, removed the MIT licence from the repo with a commit saying "No MIT yet, sorry". It says that the code had been licenced as MIT since 2021. It is not clear if you own the copyright to all the contributions since 2021, and therefore it is not clear if you are legally allowed to remove the MIT licence.

It also says that the fork was made from the repo in the state it was when you removed the MIT licence. Therefore it is a fork of an MIT project by someone who had legal access to the MIT-licenced code: it's legal.

> Don't believe everything on the internet; there are many lies spread around.

You don't say :-).

I was not entirely sure about the CoMaps vs Organic Maps situation, but this very comment of yours clearly favours CoMaps IMO. Or did I misunderstand something?

[1]: https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837

[2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20250815050441/https://github.co...

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by ihatehn on Monday August 25, 2025 @05:15AM (#45011866)
Very astute! Legally the code is owned by each contributor and licensed via the DCO. Financially the project is underneath the umbrella of the Platform 6 co-op (see OpenCollective)

This is temporary though and a permanent nonprofit home is a top priority.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by palata on Wednesday August 27, 2025 @04:56AM (#45037047)
I think this is relevant:

https://github.com/orgs/organicmaps/discussions/9837

https://web.archive.org/web/20250815050441/https://github.co...

In the discussion you link, biodranik tries to say that it was illegal for those with access to the repo to dispose of the open-source code because that open-source code had not be published. I don't think this is right:

Open-source does not mean at all that the code has to be public. It can be private to a community. But whoever has access to that code is allowed, under the open-source licence, to dispose of it under the terms of the licence. My understanding is that this is what happened with the fork of Organic Maps. And it is pretty clearly explained in the codeberg discussion you linked.

> an allegation that the CoMaps project is already tainted with code to which is expressly doesn't have license

I don't think it says that CoMaps doesn't have the licence. It says that whoever forked the codebase did not have permission by some of the founders of Organic Maps. That's very different: the licence doesn't say that you must ask permission to the founders; it says that the code can be used under the terms of the licence. A fork part of those terms.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by incone123 on Saturday August 23, 2025 @03:23AM (#44994026)
I get similar navigation issues with Google maps. I still use Google maps for driving because the live traffic is important to me, but other posts on here mention other apps with live traffic so I'll give them a try.
Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by BeetleB on Saturday August 23, 2025 @02:13PM (#44997924)
This happened close to my home on a road I've gone on almost every day. Waze never did that to me. I don't use Google Maps so I can't speak to that.
Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by rpdillon on Saturday August 23, 2025 @08:02AM (#44995340)
This is a really interesting feedback. I've used OSMand for maybe five years, and never had issues like you're describing. I've always felt that the search was absolutely awful, so I used Google Maps for that and then put the points of interest into my map. Nevertheless, I find the display particularly dense and confusing to configure, and so I also have been using Organic Maps lately, which may provide a simplified experience that's a bit more polished.

I wonder if there was some issue with the map data in the area you were driving in that led to the issues you experienced. I've used OSMand in Belize, Mexico, California, Connecticut, New York, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine and had a good experience, especially with the offline maps.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by RunningDroid on Sunday August 24, 2025 @10:15AM (#45004411)
> Told me to make a turn at an intersection that did not allow turns.

That's an OpenStreetMap bug, the intersection likely isn't marked as not allowing turns. If you put a note (OSMAnd calls them OSM Notes) on the map someone will fix it when they can.

Re:Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org by ihatehn on Monday August 25, 2025 @01:03PM (#45016049)
On top of the OsmAnd user experience being a little rough (it can do a lot, but not gracefully) it relies on accurate OSM data underneath. So the best thing to do is at least make a Note on OSM, or edit it yourself, and mark that intersection as having a no-turns-allowed restriction.

Even Google is relying on user submissions to keep its stuff accurate these days, they just have money to pay editors and reviewers.