Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver...
by Davidzheng on Saturday August 16, 2025 @06:36AM
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I guess logically one needs to assume something like if you simulate the brain completely accurately the simulation is conscious too. Which I assume bc if false the concept seems outside of science anyway.
Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver...
by root_axis on Saturday August 16, 2025 @09:51AM
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Let's imagine a world where we could perfectly simulate a rock floating through space, it doesn't then follow that this rock would then generate a gravitational field. Of course, you might reply "it would generate a simulated gravitational field in the simulation", if that were true, we would be able to locate the bits of information that represent gravity in the simulation. Thus, if a simulated brain experiences simulated consciousness, we would have clear evidence of it in the simulation - evidence that is completely absent in LLMs
Basically if consciousness is useful for any text task, i think machine learning will create it. I guess I assume some efficiency of evolution for this argument.
Wrt length generalization. I think at the order of say 1M tokens it kind of stops mattering for the purpose of this question. Like one could ask about its consciousness during the coherence period.