Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver... by johnfn on Friday August 15, 2025 @06:56PM (#44918234)

We know how neurons work on the brain. They just send out impulses once they hit their action potential. That's it. They are no more "conscious" than... er...

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Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver... by ekianjo on Friday August 15, 2025 @07:53PM (#44918601)

no, we dont really know how the brain works as a whole. no need to make stuff up.

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Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver... by estearum on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:23PM (#44919192)

The only reason we know a brain can produce consciousness is because it produces ours

Externally, a brain and an LLM are “just” their constituent interactions.

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Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver... by fc417fc802 on Friday August 15, 2025 @09:44PM (#44919323)

We believe we largely know how it works on a mechanistic level. Deconstructing it in a similar manner is a reasonable rebuttal.

Of course there's the embarrassing bit where that knowledge doesn't seem to be sufficient to accurately simulate a supposedly well understood nematode. But then LLMs remain black boxes in many respects as well.

It is possible to hold the position that current LLMs being conscious "feels" absurd while simultaneously recognizing that a deconstruction argument is not a satisfactory basis for that position.

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Re:Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conver... by johnfn on Sunday August 17, 2025 @09:23PM (#44936485)

Your rebuttal to my oversimplification is exactly my rebuttal to your oversimplification.

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