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Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by philwelch on Friday September 07, 2012 @05:41PM (#4491319)
Just to keep score, people have tried to start libertarian utopias in New Hampshire, the middle of the ocean, and now Honduras.
Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by waterlesscloud on Friday September 07, 2012 @07:51PM (#4491739)
Half the history of the United States has been about establishing utopias of one sort or another.

Some aspects have worked out better than others.

Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by nirvana on Friday September 07, 2012 @06:21PM (#4491500)
The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved. Some people, not liking this failure, decided to move to NH anyway, and have perpetuated the "free state project" for the past decade by ignoring the fact that the math doesn't work. Plus the FSP wasn't viable from the beginning: even if they took over the state government, they couldn't overrule federal laws.

Minerva was more of an eccentric joke than anything serious. I mean what kind of libertarian is going to build an island and then let the Tongan "navy" take it over because he had no guns. IF you're building a country and you have no guns, you aren't really building a country. Hell, Sealand, has successfully put off a german invasion, and, having been recognized by the UK and still standing for decades now counts as a success.

Honduras is in the starting stages. But unlike the FSP they have the endorsement of the federal government. Sure it has its risk- no joke- but I'm glad to see they are trying.

I count Sealand as a win, disqualify minerva, and claim the free state project recognized it wasn't viable and didn't try.

Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by stcredzero on Friday September 07, 2012 @07:13PM (#4491641)
> ...have perpetuated the "free state project" for the past decade by ignoring the fact that the math doesn't work.

Ignores the numbers...sounds like politics as usual.

> I count Sealand as a win,..."

I observe that the bar for "win" is very, very low.

Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by philwelch on Friday September 07, 2012 @07:29PM (#4491694)
> The Free State Project never got the 20,000 signatories that the idea needed, and so it dissolved

There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active.

Sealand doesn't count since it wasn't a libertarian, just an eccentric who wanted to call himself a prince. And he succeeded in persistently squatting on an abandoned fortification in the English Channel, not creating a new society.

I didn't know about Minerva--I was talking about the Seasteading Institute, actually.

Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by nirvana on Saturday September 08, 2012 @02:05AM (#4492398)
>There wasn't a deadline or anything; the FSP is still active.

No, there was a deadline, and a contract. That deadline passed, and the contract became null. The FSP is dead, according to its own bylaws. What continues to this day is a fraud. Of course, since that deadline was almost a decade ago, and the people running the FSP took down all the info from the website, and have been pretending otherwise, most people have never heard any of this.

Re:Former “Seasteaders” Come Ashore To Start Libertarian Uto... by philwelch on Saturday September 08, 2012 @03:50AM (#4492543)
In any case I still count it as an attempt.