both are criticized for similar things and it's not because they didn't do all by themselves.

Nobody is perfect but this doesn't excuse everything.

> We just aren't allowed to acknowledge his accomplishments

Nobody prevents you from acknowledging anything.

I am specifically referring to their accomplishments, inane takes like "Musk isn't an engineer, he doesn't have anything to do with the success of SpaceX" or "Jobs doesn't deserve any of the credit for Apple's products" are common.

Don't be obtuse, while you aren't "prevented" you are certainly shouted down/shamed on social media

> inane takes like "Musk isn't an engineer, he doesn't have anything to do with the success of SpaceX" or "Jobs doesn't deserve any of the credit for Apple's products" are common

I haven't seen these things said, but apart from HN I don't do social media. I'll believe you that these claims are stated. They are of course shallow.

I bet it depends on how you present stuff. How you "sound". Or when you choose to present facts.

Here, for instance, it looked like you dismissed the criticisms towards those guys.

Even if what you state is true, if it sounds like you take the defense of these billionaires whenever they are criticized for other things, I can certainly believe you will be shut down. They have / had a lot of power, it can seem way off to defend them, they really don't need your help.

There are good and bad timing, and effective ways to state facts and others, not.

You'll need to read the room. Of course.

And toxic places also can't be saved. Just flee.

you have admirable discipline and restraint

Thanks for the compliment! I'm glad you took it positively.