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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by DennisP on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @09:34AM (#44811792)
Taking a pragmatic approach, I would say that if the AI accomplishes something that, for humans, requires reasoning, then we should say that the AI is reasoning. That way we can have rational discussions about what the AI can actually do, without diverting into endless discussions about philosophy.
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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by mattkrause on Wednesday August 06, 2025 @10:53AM (#44812850)
Eh...

Suppose A solves a problem and writes the solution down. B reads the answer and repeats it. Is B reasoning, when asked the same question? What about one that sounds similar?

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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by briangriffinfan on Thursday August 07, 2025 @08:03AM (#44823379)
Could it be said that reasoning requires intent?
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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by DennisP on Sunday August 10, 2025 @09:02PM (#44859827)
If a human does A, that required reasoning. Same for AI.

If a human does B, that didn't require reasoning. Same for AI.

Believe it or not, people do make an effort to test their AIs on problems that they could not have seen in their training data.

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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by briangriffinfan on Monday August 11, 2025 @06:05AM (#44862554)
The crux of the problem is "what is reasoning?" Of course it's easy enough to call the outputs "equivalent enough" and then use that to say the processes are therefore also "equivalent enough."
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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by DennisP on Tuesday August 12, 2025 @08:51PM (#44883479)
I'm not saying it's enough for the outputs to be "equivalent enough."

I am saying that if the outputs and inputs are equivalent, then that's enough to call it the same thing. It might be different internally, but that doesn't really matter for practical purposes.

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Re:AI is not Making Engineers 10x as Productive by briangriffinfan on Monday August 18, 2025 @02:53PM (#44944000)
I think one of the great lessons of our age will be that things being apparently equivalent, or in more applied terms "good enough," are not equal to equality.
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