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Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by forgotoldacc on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @10:01PM (#44741628)
So instead of using a photo ID so that everything is logged, register your every interaction online with the government directly. The government which also has your photo ID on record.

There's zero difference. Either way, the government will have you monitoring your every single little comment online and having it forever tied to your person. And that'll have a chilling effect on individual liberties.

Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by dragonwriter on Wednesday July 30, 2025 @10:08PM (#44741677)
> So instead of using a photo ID so that everything is logged, register your every interaction online with the government directly.

Not just register, but ask permission for and give the government a veto on.

Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by viraptor on Thursday July 31, 2025 @01:40AM (#44742634)
No, not every interaction. Given a token without user id, companies can check it's valid without contacting any government service and without knowing your identity.
Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by forgotoldacc on Thursday July 31, 2025 @02:24AM (#44742903)
And then the government sees where those tokens are used and they can easily monitor your every action, and revoke your ability to use certain sites if they don't like what you're saying.

North Korea wishes they came up with an idea this good.

Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by conradludgate on Thursday July 31, 2025 @03:28AM (#44743284)
Signature schemes can be validated without the signers involvement. No tokens need to go back to the government
Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by Aerroon on Thursday July 31, 2025 @03:53AM (#44743404)
And they do this over a network we know governments are constantly spying on?
Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by viraptor on Thursday July 31, 2025 @06:07AM (#44744094)
This scenario doesn't make sense. Either govs can spy on your traffic and see everything (and don't need tokens for spying), or they can't and wouldn't be able to see the token. There's no scenario for: they can only spy on their tokens in your traffic.
Re:Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps... by Aerroon on Tuesday August 05, 2025 @12:31AM (#44794371)
Because it's possible to protect yourself against that with anonymity. That goes out the window the moment tokens tied to your real identity get involved.

Not to mention that it's likely they wouldn't be able to spy on absolutely everything you do, just parts of it. The tokens would be an obvious point of interest.

On top of that, it's probably a lot easier for the government to justify this kind of spying. They could probably twist information about token use as being some kind of "metadata", therefore "okay to spy on".