That’s a cheap cop out to not do the work. Multiply the numbers by two to account for your alleged undercounting. Estimate how many of those are combatants and how many civilians. Compare to other urban guerrilla warfare. I’ll respect you if you at least try the exercise.

Acknowledging the reality of the situation and the limits of what data is available is a cop out? We should instead use the inaccurate numbers and some arbitrary method you decided to analyze it instead?

You’re just trolling at this point.

I knew you were all talk and no substance. It took me 10 minutes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44695878

You’re the one using inaccurate data, which even you admit starts skewing towards being a genocide if you don’t just blindly believe Israeli propaganda.

I’m happy to admit the data is uncertain. I can then use the words of Israelis, the actions of the IDF, the actions in the West Bank, and the governments attempts to stifle free speech to infer this is in fact a genocide.

Oh by the way, which definition of genocide says it has to be a certain number or ratio? This is a completely arbitrary metric you’ve decided to focus on.

Genocide is extremely vague. It requires intentionally killing members of a group just because they're members of a group. It makes no requirement about how many need to be killed - but obviously that matters too. Oct 7th had both intent and the actions - killing Israeli's of all ages just because they were Jews - but it wasn't a genocide because it was mercifully limited in scope. So scale must matter.

I would argue it's like porn, you know it when you see it. Rwanda, Armenia, Bosnia, the Holocaust.

Censoring information in war, which every country does, is not proof of genocide.

Israel is the only country that I am aware of in all of history actually providing food and other essentials to the enemy side during a war. That's not the actions of an entity intent on committing genocide. Without intent, it's not a genocide.

You can say they're being cavalier with human life in Gaza, which happens to an extent in every war, but even then the numbers show they're at least acting with some restraint. Again, that rules out genocide.

Words mean things, you can't just call a war a genocide because it's violent.

> Genocide is extremely vague.

Sounds like something a genocide apologist would say.

> Oct 7th had both intent and the actions - killing Israeli's of all ages just because they were Jews

That's not why, and you know it. The whole world knows it's because Palestinians are tired of being occupied, sieged, kidnapped, and murdered.

> I would argue it's like porn, you know it when you see it. Rwanda, Armenia, Bosnia, the Holocaust.

Do the world's genocide scholars know it when they see it too? The world's human rights groups? Because they call this genocide, or even a holocaust.

> Censoring information in war, which every country does, is not proof of genocide.

That's a funny way to put "targeting and killing record numbers of journalists".

> Israel is the only country that I am aware of in all of history actually providing food and other essentials to the enemy side during a war.

I'm almost too angry about the shocking brazenness of this unhinged lie to think clearly... I mean, Gaza in the fifth and final 5 of famine right now. The consequences of this will be felt for generations of Palestinians.

Aid trucks all around Gaza have been sitting around unable to move this entire time. Only last night a boat with aid in international waters was seized and it's occupants kidnapped; the second time in recent weeks. Only this week, the IDF admitted there was no evidence whatsoever of Hamas 'stealing aid'l the excuse which has been given to inflict starvation on an occupied territory in defiance of international law and all decency.

Israel has blocked baby formula, antibiotics, anesthetics - and many other essentials even before October 7th, and you come here and claim this. It's filthy, it's obscene. I believe it ought to be criminal to deny a live-streamed holocaust like this, attempting to manufacture consent for unforgivable atrocity.

There's much more to say, but I'm only putting this down for the record. No one who can talk like you do after the last couple years has the smallest iota of good faith.

The UN has a very clear definition. It isn’t vague, why pretend it is? You’re a clown for saying words mean things and then ignoring the actual definition.

They also provide enough aid so that the average Gaza gets less calories than the prisoners in German concentration camps got. So no, they aren’t providing shit.

GHF isn't only reporting casualties recorded by the regular health system though. They've been incorporating casualty reports from a variety of other sources, including a Google form where regular Gazans report casualties.