Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by kingkawn on Friday July 25, 2025 @08:13PM
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The most experienced surgeon bc the robots are only given cases that fit within their rubric of use cases and the people handle edge cases
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by rahimnathwani on Friday July 25, 2025 @08:17PM
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Incorrect.
DaVinci robots are operated by surgeons themselves, using electronic controls.
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by yahoozoo on Friday July 25, 2025 @09:56PM
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Da Vinci robots don’t know they were used for those edge cases.
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by kingkawn on Friday July 25, 2025 @09:45PM
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Correct.
I know that.
Still the robots are not used outside of their designated use cases and People still handle by hand the sort of edge cases that are the topic of concern in this context
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by hansmayer on Saturday July 26, 2025 @06:31AM
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...Except that a surgeon can reason in real-time even if he wasn´t "trained" on a specific edge-case. Its called intelligence. And unless they have been taking heavy drugs ahead of the procedure, or were sleep deprived, its very un-likely a surgeon will have a hallucination, of the kind that is practically a feature of the GenAI.
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by dragonwriter on Saturday July 26, 2025 @11:57AM
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AI “hallucination” is more like confabulation than hallucination in humans (the chosen name the AI phenomenon was poor because the people choosing it don't understand thr domain it was chosen from, which is somewhat amusing given the nominal goal of their field); the risk factors for that aren't as much heavy drugs and sleep deprivation as immediate pressure to speak/act, absence of the knowledge needed, and absence of the opportunity or social permission to seek third-party input. In principle, though, yes, the preparation of the people in the room should make that less likely and less likely to be uncorrected in a human-conducted surgery.
Re:Experimental surgery performed by AI-driven surgical robot
by hansmayer on Sunday July 27, 2025 @07:52AM
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I guess my point was less about the nuances of how we define 'hallucination' for a GenAI system, and more about the important part - not having my liver accidentally removed because the Surgery-ChatGPT had a hickup, or the rate limit was reached or whatever.
A) All the DaVinci robots that have ever been used for a particular type of surgery.
B) The most experienced surgeon of that specialty.