Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by JoshTriplett on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:16PM
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> In other words: Over one quarter of people who received the checks stopped working, despite knowing that the program was temporary. This is actually a wild result when you think about it. Contrast this with the title that claims “people kept working” without qualifiers.
Half of those people stopped working so that they could go to school.
I'd also expect an even better result if working did not cancel out the UBI.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by protocolture on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:39PM
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I tend to see:
"New UBI study is designed to demonstrate that productivity will increase with payments"
and then after the results are released.
"UBI study confirms that participants were happier and healthier on a UBI"
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by 9rx on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:11PM
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> The entire world of UBI studies is wild.
Are you counting this study in that world, given that it wasn't a UBI study? It was intended to be a continuation of the Manitoban study from the 1970s, which wasn't modelled as UBI either.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by jszymborski on Thursday July 17, 2025 @08:38PM
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My bad, added the year to the title.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by throaway955 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:17PM
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is "kept working" the point of ubi? is that how were measuring its success?
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by sokoloff on Friday July 18, 2025 @04:54AM
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It’s one measure of the impact of UBI and is particularly important if you want to support the “UBI makes society more productive and prosperous” argument that some proponents make.
The study has also been picked apart for the methodology issues and the enormous amount of spin applied to the results. From what I recall, the link to the results didn’t lead to an academic paper, it led to something more like a pamphlet or advertisement with a lot of graphic design, dozens of pages, and lots of spin.
Even this news article shows the amount of spin happening. Read this section and think about what it really means:
> The report shows nearly three-quarters of respondents who were working when the pilot project began kept at it despite receiving basic income
In other words: Over one quarter of people who received the checks stopped working, despite knowing that the program was temporary. This is actually a wild result when you think about it. Contrast this with the title that claims “people kept working” without qualifiers.
The better studies have included a control group that gets a nominal payment but much less than the basic income checks. Something like $50 or $100 per month to fill out the same questionnaire. Giving a single group some checks for a short period of time without any control group doesn’t tell you much.
The entire world of UBI studies is wild. Every time I read the actual data I come away with a completely different interpretation than the news articles and graphic design heavy reports that are produced by the UBI proponents.