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Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by eddythompson80 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:48PM (#44597403)
I admit I haven’t been in any of the mustash twirling meetings. They probably happen, but I have also been in the room with engineers and PMs discussing solving problems with analytics attribution to user.
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by owebmaster on Thursday July 17, 2025 @04:48PM (#44598025)
It is because when you get your attention fixed to the execution level you miss the strategic.
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by pksebben on Thursday July 17, 2025 @04:51PM (#44598061)
Given the structure of hierarchical orgs, both can (and likely are) true.

Moustache-twirler A: We've identified these metrics that correlate with increased shareholder value

Moustache-twirler B: But what do those metrics say about user privacy?

(both laugh. This is very funny)

MT A: no but really, fire any PMs that don't make these go up and let the survivors figure out why

MT B: sounds great. See you at golf this weekend

(some time later, in a less fancy conference room)

Engineer: This new feature is great, but could be construed as an invasion of privacy. Can we make it opt-in?

PM (panicking): Oh good heavens, no! Also send the opt-out button to the UX team, that way it doesn't come down on us.

Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by eddythompson80 on Thursday July 17, 2025 @05:53PM (#44598660)
It's probably more telling how you had to invent the cartoonishly evil MTA and MTB, a bootlicker PM, and an honest (but maybe just slightly clueless) engineer.