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Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by chinathrow on Thursday July 17, 2025 @03:16PM (#44597046)
Your new feature is privacy invading. It's none of your business to detect if someones mic is on unless they invite you to do that.

What is so hard about that?

> Our PMs don't like making things opt-in.

Lamest excuse ever.

I wouldn't be surprised if you phoned back home about that mic activation - do you?

I recently joined an org where Notion is in use - I will actively lobby them to not install the desktop app, at all or to quit Notion alltogether.

Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by hackinthebochs on Thursday July 17, 2025 @05:44PM (#44598591)
What exactly is the privacy issue with detecting when a process begins using the microphone?
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by bayindirh on Thursday July 17, 2025 @06:21PM (#44598933)
Following my habits, and reporting to a data broker that how I use my microphone, allowing even more precise profiling of my life circumstances or habits.
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by jitl on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:04PM (#44600103)
We don’t report your habits to any data broker. This information use used purely for local UI.
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by mbreese on Thursday July 17, 2025 @09:34PM (#44600274)
Yet... you don't report habits to a data broker yet. It is currently used for local UI.

Once you already are in the habit of evading user-privacy, it's a only a couple of down quarters before you start tracking and sending data to data brokers or someone else. This is why no one here likes this behavior.

Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by developerDan on Thursday July 17, 2025 @10:59PM (#44600776)
Delta Airlines has entered the chat.

As more and more companies start to use AI for “personalized”/targeted pricing, offers, advertising, etc. The more this exact type of data will be useful and therefore lucrative.

Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by michaelcampbell on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:57AM (#44604198)
And evidently their PM's don't like doing opt-out, so...
Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by bayindirh on Friday July 18, 2025 @03:00AM (#44601992)
Sorry if it came through like that. I didn't mean to say Notion shares personal data to broker(s). I just wanted to highlight where it can go.

Please don't forget: Road to hell is paved with good intentions. Making features which can eavesdrop on users opt-in can go very wrong, very fast.

I understand the need to make it "feel like magic", but that line is very thin.

Last note, please when you move something around (e.g. Calculate button from bottom of the database columns to header menu), please let users know. It really feels bad when you use something too much just disappears.

BTW, I'm a Notion subscriber as you can say :)

Re:Tell HN: Notion Desktop is monitoring your audio and network by benaubin on Friday July 18, 2025 @08:14AM (#44603851)
no worries! for what it's worth, notion is cash flow positive which means we can stick to our values for the long term. i work at notion; it's nice to be in a business where you get paid directly by users

oof, i will forward that feedback to the team. we should do better about communicating changes to ui