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Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by magic_hamster on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:28AM (#44549159)
Comparing anyone to Tolkien is massively unfair. Tolkien was a seasoned linguist and he worked on LotR for about a decade. It is going to be extremely hard to match these expectations for other authors.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by fullstackchris on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:56AM (#44549351)
You're suggesting their arent any other authors who have taken over a decade to write a book? Prousts' In Search of Lost Time took 13 for example.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by uaas on Sunday July 13, 2025 @07:37AM (#44549545)
You are ignoring the part about being a linguist, though. Spending 10 years writing a book is also not quite rare.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by loloquwowndueo on Sunday July 13, 2025 @08:03AM (#44549731)
Sylvain Neuvel is also a linguist. But I’m sure this will also be disqualified because he’s in a different genre.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by Groxx on Sunday July 13, 2025 @09:53AM (#44550477)
tbh I don't think "researches language structure" has much at all of a correlation with "uses language in a pheasant manner".

it happens to with Tolkein. but it's kinda like claiming a compiler optimization specialist is a good video game developer simply because games use compilers.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by johngossman on Sunday July 13, 2025 @11:28AM (#44551092)
I've been comparing Iliad translations. Some of best classicists, who best understand Greek and the original text, are lousy poets.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by Groxx on Sunday July 13, 2025 @01:33PM (#44552005)
Far too late to edit now, but I got a laugh out of the autocorrect "pheasant" at least
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by johngossman on Sunday July 13, 2025 @09:58AM (#44550510)
Huge Tolkien fan here. But the list of great authors and great books is long. It is certainly not unfair to compare Nabokov, Rushdie, Kingsolver, Ferrante, etc etc etc to Tolkien. Some were linguists, translators, literature professors. Some were journalists. Some had no obvious qualifications at all. Some wrote their novels very quickly, some took decades. Shakespeare and Dickens were not linguists and (mostly) wrote very quickly.
Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by KineticLensman on Sunday July 13, 2025 @11:56AM (#44551316)
> Tolkien was a seasoned linguist and he worked on LoTR for about a decade

This actually understates the effort Tolkien put in. He'd started the world-building that led to LoTR approx 35 years before the publication of the first volume (in 1954), specifically by writing the first tales in the Legendarium we now recognise as The Silmarillion. And he never actually completed the latter even having spent almost 60 years working on it.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by throwaway328 on Sunday July 13, 2025 @06:46PM (#44554500)
There are worlds of difference between analysing the syntax and semantics of languages in a structured and scientific way, and writing "good" prose (as subjective as that is).

I guess you're just a huge fan of Tolkien?

In which case, have you read https://archive.is/20241231024916/https://www.newyorker.com/... in which Michael Moorcock calls Tokein's work:

"...a pernicious confirmation of the values of a morally bankrupt middle class".

Which I'm not saying should change your opinion on anything, I just find it's always a good exercise to find the juiciest criticism of one's darlings.

Re:Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025 by Andrew_nenakhov on Monday July 14, 2025 @05:07AM (#44557876)
English is not my first language, and Tolkien's prose is one of the easiest English language texts I've ever read. Even the occasional stylizations to old scaldic verse is very easy to comprehend.