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Re:US utilities plot big rise in electricity rates as data c... by mapt on Thursday July 10, 2025 @03:54PM (#44524811)
At $50/kwh of batteries + $50/kwh of battery install labor...

And at $150/kw of panels, $100/kw of inverters & copper, $100/kw of mounting, $100/kw of install labor, and $100/kw of real estate...

And at a 1W : 1kwh/yr (11%) duty cycle (my area should be 50% over that, but let's use conservative assumptions for low-maintenance vertical mounts)

And a level of conservativeness around power supply that reserves 60 hours of battery bank...

...

I can run a steady 1kw load (a GPU, let's say) for ~9kw of panels ($4950) + 60kwh of batteries ($6000), or $10,000. Capital cost of $10/watt.

Vogtle 3 and Vogtle 4 are going to end up averaging about 2.1GW for an estimated construction cost of perhaps $34 billion by the time everything is complete, or a capital cost of about $16/watt.

Re:US utilities plot big rise in electricity rates as data c... by gregbot on Thursday July 10, 2025 @11:12PM (#44528090)
>60 hours of battery bank

With that little battery you’re going to need to keep some natural gas plants running to be able to survive a few cloudy days in a row without a blackout.

Re:US utilities plot big rise in electricity rates as data c... by mapt on Friday July 11, 2025 @11:02AM (#44532933)
Yes, that's an option.

Or just buy electricity from one state to the north or south where they didn't catch the same storm as you.

Or start running a nearby hydroelectric dam at 300% of average flow rate.

Or stop smelting aluminum in your attached aluminum smelter. Or equivalently, your bitcoin mine.

Batteries and panels continue to rapidly drop in price.

As your PV+battery system gets bigger in relation to your load, chance of a failure mode drops much faster than linearly; Not only are you looking at the far end of a bell curve from battery capacity alone, you're also generating more PV on the cloudy days.

Re:US utilities plot big rise in electricity rates as data c... by gregbot on Friday July 11, 2025 @02:49PM (#44535667)
I dont follow this:

>you're also generating more PV on the cloudy days

Or this: >chance of a failure mode drops much faster than linearly

Re:US utilities plot big rise in electricity rates as data c... by rickydroll on Thursday July 10, 2025 @11:13PM (#44528096)
When you take into account that nuclear takes 10 to 20 years to deploy, you could incrementally deploy much more solar and battery energy in that 20 years than the nuke plant could generate by the time it's assembled, its construction is completed, and put online.