BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR

Re:BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR by jakelazaroff on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @01:30AM (#44497365)

At this point what you're doing is tantamount to writing long essays trying to convince people that the Earth is flat. It is very very obviously a genocide — probably the most well-documented one since the Shoah! — and everyone but the most hardline Israel supporters can see that.

There's a reason that support for Israel in the US has dropped to just 12% among Democrats. [1] Even among Republicans, it's down 18 percentage points! And this is despite heavy censorship of pro-Palestinian narratives (as evidenced by the article).

[1] https://mondoweiss.net/2025/06/the-shift-just-12-of-dem-vote...

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Re:BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR by Paradigma11 on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @07:28AM (#44499019)

This argument seems so counterproductive to me. Israel is obviously committing war crimes, attempting ethnic cleansing and any number of other horrible violations of international law and common standards.

But I don't see how it is committing genocide. They are not trying to destroy the people, the genus. There are 2+ mill people in Gaza and with all those bombs they killed 100k or less? Basically that is just what urban warfare looks like.

This is like the Diddy trial, where you give the perp a way out by overprosecuting.

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Re:BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR by jakelazaroff on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @08:16AM (#44499271)

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Re:BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR by Paradigma11 on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @09:52AM (#44499986)

The point is that what you are describing is not genocide. "The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group." Israel does not do that. Russia does do that to the Ukrainians. Putin thinks Ukraine is not a real nation and he thinks the Ukrainians are not a separate genus. That is why Ukrainian children are getting indoctrinated in the occupied territories and the Ukrainian language getting suppressed.

Does that mean that Ukrainian civilians are worse off than Palestinians? No, obviously not. Israel is guilty of many crimes and many of them are worse than some forms of genocide.

Words have meaning and you are offering the Israeli apologetics an easy way out arguing semantics and the easy way is that they are right.

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Re:BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR by jakelazaroff on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @10:05AM (#44500101)

> "The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group." Israel does not do that.

Israel "does not do that" only if you ignore remarks by IDF members, MKs and the Prime Minister himself explicitly saying they are doing that.

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