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Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by bdelmas on Monday July 07, 2025 @05:40AM (#44488465)
The percentage is irrelevant without knowing how they really work and how much profit they make. They could be at 95% with 0.1% of margin it wouldn’t mean much for the market.

At the end of the day talking about HFT this way is to not know what they do and what service they offer to the market. Overall they are not trending makers but trend followers.

Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by HaZeust on Monday July 07, 2025 @06:47PM (#44495361)
What? THAT CASH comes from owning the inside spread on roughly half of every US equity share that trades. They quote a micro-price adjustment, and it pushes out anyone slower - which exactly the “service” that lets retail investors, like us, hit a bid or ask.

Honestly, whether YOU want to call that trend-following or market-making - I can't be arsed, but it’s still data-retrieval that runs THE institutional scale

Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by raspasov on Monday July 07, 2025 @07:24PM (#44495574)
The ghost of Charlie Munger has entered the chat.
Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by HaZeust on Monday July 07, 2025 @07:52PM (#44495724)
Get to my original reply to you with all the sources first :) then Charlie can join in the fun!
Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by raspasov on Monday July 07, 2025 @10:37PM (#44496464)
Your argument is unconvincing.

Even if the HFT market is 100 times the smallest estimate, it's still a relatively small portion of the world economy, which is approximately $100 trillion. HFT is a fascinating intersection of finance/C++/JVM for competitive super-nerds. It happens to add liquidity to the market, as far as I understand. I am not demonizing it in any way.

However, it's not a significant portion of the US or global economy by any stretch. The argument over whether it sets or follows stock prices is mostly philosophical at this point.

Re:I don't think AGI is right around the corner by HaZeust on Monday July 07, 2025 @10:58PM (#44496547)
>"HFT is a fascinating intersection of finance/C++/JVM for competitive super-nerds. It happens to add liquidity to the market, as far as I understand. I am not demonizing it in any way."

>"The argument over whether it sets or follows stock prices is mostly philosophical at this point."

Sure, I respect that!