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Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by cuttothechase on Sunday July 06, 2025 @09:58PM (#44486015)
>Think of it this way: do you believe there's anything about humans that exists outside the mathematical laws of physics? If so that's essentially a religious position (or more literally, a belief in the supernatural). If not, then functions and approximations to functions are what the human experience boils down to.

It seems like, we can at best, claim that we have modeled the human thought process for reasoning/analytic/quantitative through Linear Algebra, as the best case. Why should we expect the model to be anything more than a model ?

I understand that there is tons of vested interest, many industries, careers and lives literally on the line causing heavy bias to get to AGI. But what I don't understand is what about linear algebra that makes it so special that it creates a fully functioning life or aspects of a life?

Should we make an argument saying that Schroedinger's cat experiment can potentially create zombies then the underlying Applied probabilistic solutions should be treated as super-human and build guardrails against it building zombie cats?

Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by ants_everywhere on Sunday July 06, 2025 @10:14PM (#44486093)
> It seems like, we can at best, claim that we have modeled the human thought process for reasoning/analytic/quantitative through Linear Algebra....I don't understand is what about linear algebra that makes it so special that it creates a fully functioning life or aspects of a life?

Not linear algebra. Artificial neural networks create arbitrarily non-linear functions. That's the point of non-linear activation functions and it's the subject of the universal approximation theorems I mentioned above.

Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by cuttothechase on Sunday July 06, 2025 @10:48PM (#44486291)
ANNs are just mathematical transformations, powered by linear algebra + non-linear functions. They simulate certain cognitive processes — but they are fundamentally math, not magic.
Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by delusional on Monday July 07, 2025 @02:51AM (#44487409)
I wouldn't say they "simulate cognitive processes". They do statistics. Advanced multivariadic statistics.

An LLM thinks in the same way excel thinks when you ask it to fit a curve.

Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by ImHereToVote on Monday July 07, 2025 @03:09AM (#44487504)
Who invoked magic in this thread exactly?
Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by ants_everywhere on Monday July 07, 2025 @08:56AM (#44489911)
I think the point of mine that you're missing (or perhaps disagreeing with implicitly) is that *everything* is fundamentally math. Or, if you like, everything is fundamentally physics, and physics is fundamentally math.

So classes of functions (ANNs) that can approximate our desired function to arbitrary precision are what we should be expecting to be working with.

Re:A non-anthropomorphized view of LLMs by hackinthebochs on Monday July 07, 2025 @06:41AM (#44488791)
>Why should we expect the model to be anything more than a model ?

To model a process with perfect accuracy requires recovering the dynamics of that process. The question we must ask is what happens in the space between bad statistical model and perfect accuracy? What happens when the model begins to converge towards accurate reproduction. How far does generalization in the model take us towards capturing the dynamics involved in thought?