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Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by ericyd on Sunday July 06, 2025 @04:28PM (#44483762)
Could you elaborate on "subsidies don't scale"? In the US, farm subsidies are a huge chunk of our budget and, to the best of my understanding, help keep food prices low. I'm not informed enough to know if it's an inefficient solution though.
Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by owie829 on Sunday July 06, 2025 @05:43PM (#44484350)
that is incorrect. 2023 US Payments to agriculture [1] were $10.972 billion. That is 0.04% of GDP or ~0.697% of the federal budget[2] for 2023. It spiked slightly in 2020, but has been a small portion of the budget for a long time.

[1] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/L312041A027NBEA

[2] https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M318191Q027NBEA

[3] https://imgur.com/a/dwgS0m6

Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by ericyd on Sunday July 06, 2025 @09:32PM (#44485839)
I guess it's a matter of perspective, I know 0.7% isn't the biggest item in the budget but it's a fairly large line item to my mind. Either way I still wonder what the "does not scale" comment meant.

Edit: re-reading my comment, I regret my word choice, "a huge chunk" is obviously incorrect.

Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by vkou on Monday July 07, 2025 @02:03AM (#44487208)
First of all, 11 billion is 0.17% of the federal budget. (Which is ~6 trillion). You were looking at a quarterly budget, not the annual one.

Secondly, that 0.17% that is spent on food security has dramatically better ROI than the 1.7% of it that is spent on, to pick a random line item... maintaining 5 (of 11) carrier strike groups[1].

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[1] For contrast, the entire rest of the world put together has exactly 2 carrier strike groups. Somehow, I'd have to prioritize people getting three meals a day over nearly anything else the government could be doing.

Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by Onavo on Sunday July 06, 2025 @04:31PM (#44483780)
The subsidies are combined with cheap indentured semi legal labor from south of the border. Remove either one and the whole system falls apart.
Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by SoftTalker on Sunday July 06, 2025 @05:11PM (#44484089)
Indentured?
Re:'Shit in, shit out', AI is coming for agriculture, but fa... by tocs3 on Tuesday July 08, 2025 @11:56AM (#44501190)
This reply is a little off the cuff but the "Indentured" is referring to the fact that the workers cannot just pick up and leave without consequences. They do not have transportation so would have to just walk home and are not holding the visas so hey could face consequences involving law enforcement.