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Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by intended on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:08AM (#4447952)
>. 2) Someone is eating that food (let's assume nothing gets thrown out/rots because of corruption: someone who steals food eventually sells it and it gets eaten, not trashed)

That is a simplification. It is both being stolen and it is rotting.

Even the article states that there is tons of food that is rotting/wasting away. If it doesn't mention it, I can give examples of food stock being wasted from as long back as, I think 1970-1980.

Also - Corruption DOES shift the supply curve so "corruption does not change supply and demand" is only true in the land of platonic ideals.

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by kamaal on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @07:17AM (#4447974)
I think his point is stealing food redirects it those who need it and can afford it.

So the problem shifts from corruption to affordability. The free food program exists because they can't afford it. If we can fix the affordability problem, there won't be a need for a free food program and there by corruption related to it won't exist.

These people need to get jobs. But since they don't have it. You may by all means fix corruption and give them free food, but they will hungry again in the next six months. Where will you get free food from, then and till when?

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by intended on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:00AM (#4448086)
It redirects food to people who have the buying power.

IIRC Mr. A. Sen won the nobel for showing that people starved not because of lack of food, but because of lack of purchasing power.

The wiki page suggests that his findings are being debated though, to be fair.

My google foo is also a bit literal at the moment, and I wasn't able to produce a result which explained what he won his nobel for.

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by anovikov on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @08:50AM (#4448207)
How does it shift the supply curve? The food is getting bought from farmers anyways, for cash, they don't give a damn about if it is going to be sold to people in shops, distributed for free, or stolen.
Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by intended on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @09:25AM (#4448372)
Hmm.

The subsidy/pds is supposed to shift the price of goods down, so corruption does affect the intended price of goods by making them unavailable at the subsidized rate.

That's why I chose the supply curve. Correct me if I got it wrong.

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by anovikov on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @11:40AM (#4449125)
There is no relation to the supply curve. Because there is no change in the price at which the product is purchased from producers.

Demand shifts of course (the overall price of the product drops because the stuff that wasn't supposed to make it to the market gets there, but free stuff disappears -> structure changes).

Re:Poor in India Starve as Politicians Steal $14.5 Billion o... by intended on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:47PM (#4450362)
Ah yes, got it, you are correct. Thank you.

The supply curve is the amount of goods produced at x price.

Since x isn't being changed here for sellers, it doesn't move.

The demand curve does move because of the distorting effects of the subsidy/PDS, and then again because of corruption.