Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by rayiner on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:44AM
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Say you take out a $400,000 loan for a $500,000 place (this will buy you a 3BR high-rise condo in downtown Chicago). At today's rates, your mortgage payment will be ~$2,000/month. Your first payment on that house will be $600 principal and $1,400 interest. In a condo, your HOA fee will be maybe $800-1000/month. Depending on your tax bracket, your tax savings will be ~$400/month, which will cancel out your property taxes. So your total cost is $1,400 + $1,000 = $2,400. Market rent for the same 3BR high-rise condo is probably $2,500 to $3,000. Moreover, while your rent will go up 2-5% each year, the interest component of your mortgage payment will actually go down (2-3%/year over the first decade). Finally, when house values appreciate, you'll capture that increase rather than your landlord.
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Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by greghinch on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @10:39AM
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I see how you're doing the math, but I think you're presenting it misleadingly to say your monthly cost is $1400+$1000. First of all you left off the $600 principal; you may recoup that in a sale but you still gotta pony it up every month. Second, your $2000 a month mortgage payment seems low on a $500k home. Talking to realtors and friends that have bought, the rule I've been told to go by is plan $700-$800 per $100k for mortgage and property taxes (not including any HOA). So that means a cost of $3500-4000 PLUS HOA dues every month. Even if you are offsetting $1000 of that with tax benefits, renting for $3k still looks attractive, especially if you factor in the cost of maintenance of a period of 10 years or more. Between two homes I've rented I've not had my rent increased once by a landlord in the past 6 years.
Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by rayiner on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @01:44PM
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It's not misleading, it's accurate. Your principal payment is money you'll get back on sale (or can borrow from if you need liquidity). It's qualitatively different than interest or a rent payment that you'll never get back.
My number is roughly in line with the $700/100k figure. I'm assuming 20% down, so the loan is for $400k. If your credit is excellent, and you don't live in one of the high-tax areas, $2000 loan payment + $500 taxes is doable.
As for rent increases, I've never not had a rent increase in 8 years of renting in Chicago and Atlanta. It's standard practice in the city.
Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by greghinch on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:42PM
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Well it does matter from a practical sense in that you'll need to write checks for $2500 a month (plus HOA). You may recoup $5000 or so in tax relief at the end of the year, but you still had to come up with that money in the first place (let alone save up $100,000 which is no mean feat, even if you're making a low six figure salary like a lot of professionals in their late 20s/early-mid 30s).
I guess my bottom line with my original comment was, I can think of a lot better uses for the money, time, and effort it takes to buy a $500,000 condo, and to me the returns in my quality of life vastly outweigh any sort of long-term security you might feel from owning a home
Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by salsashark on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:02PM
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Don't forget the cost of improvements and remodeling for a home you own? Home owners will probably need to update at least the bathrooms and kitchens before they sell, which can be an investment of >$20k. Not to mention the costs of repair, which you don't take on in a rental...
Re: How Long Will You Need to Save to Buy a Home In Your City?
by hessenwolf on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @04:16AM
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just a caveat; when = if. Houses may be overvalued.