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Re:The Bain Capital Files by ChuckMcM on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @12:50AM (#4447151)
I am totally not defending the guy, but the question I have is what does the average citizen expect a 'rich' person to do with their savings? Put them into a pass book savings account at Wells Fargo and get .7% APR interest with everything over $250,000 at risk? When you give your money to a venture capitalist to invest in the startups we read about every day it shows up on your tax return a "MayField Plaza Partners Equity Fund, LLC" or some such. And its not like naming those things are easy.

When I rolled over my 401k from Sun into a personally managed IRA with my broker we put parts into things like "Fidelity Large Cap Fund" or "Emerging Markets Fund" which were pretty opaque except for the prospectus that came around once a quarter. So I'm wondering what the outrage is here.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by cromwellian on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:20AM (#4447436)
I expect them to not to have loopholes they can take advantage of that ordinary citizens can't. For example, Bain converted fees for service into capital gains. A plumber or electrician can't treat his fees as capital gains, they are treated as income.

But if you're in financial, you can use all kinds of loopholes -- equity swaps, blocker corporations, fee-waivers+fund-investment in order to treat income as cap gains.

Then, if America votes in Romney and Ryan, we may end up with even lower capital gains rates, meaning financiers can escape most taxes, while ordinary people are faced with inescapeable income taxes.

I don't mind people investing in risky ventures, but they must pay taxes on their winnings like everyone else. And as Buffet said, the idea that higher taxes will scare away entrepreneurs isn't historically supportable. There are risk takers in every environment, it wasn't like before 1980 there weren't any entrepreneurs.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by pc86 on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:34PM (#4450605)
I'm not a fan of loopholes either, but they exist and it'd be ridiculous to expect those able to not to take advantage of them. They'd just be burning off a percentage of their income.

Everything Romney's done has been legal, if impolitic. I challenge everyone acting like he's the antichrist to show us their tax returns where they made a gift deposit to the US Treasury, because that's essentially what a lot of people expected him to do.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by mudil on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @03:46AM (#4447489)
Perhaps it is not Romney and Ryan's fault. Maybe we need to simplify our tax system, so everyone pays equal share of taxes? But as it stands now, we have tax code of thousands of pages, so people in the know will figure out the loopholes. The analogy would be doing an SEO of a website. Sure I want everyone's site be optimized. But only people that understand all that is involved with the SEO process can properly configure pages and a server.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by cromwellian on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @04:03AM (#4447518)
I'm all in favor of closing loopholes and simplification, but almost every single mainstream simplification that has ever been proposed has amounted to nothing more than an attempt to remove progressivity from the tax system. What makes the system complex is not the existence of more than one tax bracket, it's the bewildering array of itemized deductions one can take. Most of the 'simplifications' set out to accomplish two goals it seems: 1) simplify code 2) somehow lower rates. Unfortunately, when they try to be "revenue neutral" by closing loopholes, those hardest hit are the middle and lower class because of the mortgage interest deduction. So ultimately, many of these plans look like a tax cut for the rich and raising taxes for the middle class by taking away their deductions.
Re:The Bain Capital Files by r00fus on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @02:29AM (#4447348)
> what does the average citizen expect a 'rich' person to do with their savings?

Perhaps donate some/lots to a real bona-fide charity (this does not include your church - that's just influence peddling within your own community). Or maybe doing some angel investing in potentially meaningful pie-in-the-sky ventures?

Bill Gates is an example of a rich person doing something worthwhile with his money.

Re:The Bain Capital Files by expralitemonk on Wednesday August 29, 2012 @09:16AM (#4448340)
Churches give a staggering amount of aid to the poor, with fewer strings attached than the aid given to them by the State.

If Mitt Romney lawfully lowered his taxes, more power to him. I use TurboTax to lawfully lower mine. The problem is with the laws.